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Darkness...
...you ask some interesting questions of your own "clusterfuck" government, and i hope you get some answers.
But when you say...
"without america,this planet ceases to exist, it will refuse to rotate. we are the center of this planet's solar system."
...you are really just feeding the contempt that the rest of the world feels for America as an ignorant, inward-looking, up-itself nation. Why do so many of the 270 million American people feel so superior to 6 billion, and care not at all for the further billions of inhabitants on this planet. I don't get it.
D
posted by
DamonLeigh
on August 3, 2004 at 5:05 AM
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I've heard Ms. Edmond speak a few times. She's no dumbie. The whole story about 9/11 hasn't been told yet, and it may never be told.
posted by
lonebutte
on July 29, 2004 at 2:13 PM
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DAE and Darkness...Victims of Education Budget Cuts
Attempting to have a democracy while cutting funding for education is a national security issue. Clearly.
I'd be the last person to speak to about honoring the manner in which bureaucrats feed at the public trough until they exist only to serve themselves and not the function they were hired to serve. In a very real sense the educational bureaucrats kidnapped our children and held them hostage to their policies, mostly unspoken, that served the purpose of growing career empires within the bureaucracy, instead of serving the public interest.
But we have yet to hear or see a viable alternative to government bureaucracy presented by the right wing fools who are clinging to power any way that they can. Including violating every principle upon which this country is based and for which our soldiers have fought and died for.
3,000 of our own people were murdered not because a terrorist cell wanted to make a statement. 3,000 of our own people died because our government wanted to direct our attention away from their misdeeds and their horrifying motives.
Fact: There was no 757 jumbo jet that crashed into the Pentagon.
Fact: The debris field of flight 93 is more consistent with a shoot-down than pilot sabotage.
Fact: The passenger manifests are not consistent with the number of passengers that were widely reported to be on board each of the flights.
Fact: Industrial-grade steel does not melt because of an explosion and fire fed by jet fuel. The temperatures are hundreds of degrees too cool to allow that to occur. The WTC was clearly a controlled demolition.
Fact: Our government had more than ample warning regarding an attack on our own soil and refused to take appropriate action.
Fact: NORAD is more than capable of tracking jets flying in US airspace, especially if they have no transponder turned on to identify them.
Fact: If this operation was NOT run under our government's control, then real terrorists with real diabolical agendas would have trashed the Indian Point Nuclear Power facility, rather than flying an additional 7 minutes and crashing into the WTC. A meltdown would have made most of New York completely uninhabitable for several thousand years.
Fact: If this operation was NOT under our government's control, then why did it only require the FBI 20 minutes to locate the school where Atta supposedly learned to fly, yet the entire plot was permitted to exist for the several years it took to plan it out?
Fact: Our government has the technology to fly retrofitted commercial jets with remote control and global positioning satellites. No pilots are necessary.
Fact: It is more than possible to shadow a legitimate commercial jet with one under remote control, land the commercial jet at a military installation, and fly the shadow jet whereever one desires it to go...and the radar signatures at an FAA control center would look the same.
Fact: Only an idiot would believe that a bunch of goat-herding, desert-dwelling poor people could plan and implement an attack on a country that spends 34 billion dollars per year on its intelligence apparatus...and that's not counting the drug money it frequently acquires and uses to conduct its secret foreign policy agendas -- the real reason that the Arab world finds us so despicable.
Fact: Most Americans, because they believe that their elected officials carry out all aspects of US foreign policy, have no idea what the actual US foreign policy is. If most Americans knew what the actual foreign policy of the US government was, they would likely revolt against their own government. Alas, since most Americans of voting age weren't properly educated by our educational system, they lack the critical thinking skills necessary to discern the difference between truth and propaganda.
posted by
Volaar
on July 25, 2004 at 9:21 AM
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the government knew 9/11 was going to happen, but they decided not to take them seriously. sure, lots of pilots only want to learn how to fly and not how to land. metal detectors going off, let them on the plane. they're paying for tickets with 5 grand in cash, let them on the plane. planes go into the twin towers and innocent people die because our clusterfuck government doesn't have the balls to go after these fucking lowlifes with the hate and anger that they feel towards us. who gives a shit what the rest of the world thinks about us. without america,this planet ceases to exist, it will refuse to rotate. we are the center of this planet's solar system. the rest of the world knows this. they hate us, but they know that they'll die without us. you're not going to beat these cocksuckers if you play by the rules. you have to beat them at their game and let the chips fall where they may. it's the only way they'll understand that you do not fuck with america and if the rest of the world doesn't like it, they can kiss my red, white, and blue ass. government is nothing more than a bunch of fucking clowns, too scared to make a move against terrorism, but having no difficulty in making life harder for americans by letting terrorists into our country. can someone explain that fucked up logic to me?
posted by
darkness
on July 25, 2004 at 6:26 AM
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Pauly
Did you read my blog about how Sandy Berger and Clinton are up to their eyeballs in 9/11?
It was they who are responsible for letting it happen, by not going after bin Laden. Clinton was/is a weakling, like most democraps are. In this day of terrorism against America, there is no room for wimp flip-floppers like Kerry/Edwards. Clinton/Gore proved that FACT!
Democraps are dunderheads that have no place in America's security. Maybe that's why the Islamic wackos want Kerry to win so bad, eh? Are you with them or with America?
It is people like you and Michael Moore-on who are fueling terrorist desires to kill our troops and others in Iraq and around the world. Soon, you may be held accountable, depending on if there's another attack on our homeland. The way you sound, makes me wonder if you're one who's ready.
DAE
posted by
DEMSareEVIL
on July 24, 2004 at 11:04 PM
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I have No Idea...
...who to believe or what to think. Not enough information yet.
I don't even know, for certain, if flight 93 was, in fact, flight 93.
What I do know is that we are being lied to and manipulated as a part of this mass traumatization we have been subjected to.
No substantial number of people wanted to believe, from 1963-1965, that JFK had been murdered with assistance of our government. Over time, as the emotions were processed and resolved, people started waking up. But by that time the evidence had all been cleaned and there was no way to prove anyone did anything except that Lee Oswald had been involved -- the cover story.
No one wants to believe that there were no heroes on flight 93. It's just too important for us, as a people, to believe anything but that we weren't all complete victims as a result of what happened on 9/11.
Based on the debris field alone, it is evident that flight 93 somehow started coming apart before it ever hit the ground. The hull had been breached. I am of the opinion that the jet was shot down. For whatever reason.
The truth is always very simple. Effects can be identified by observing their prior causes. So, too, can causes be determined by observing the observable effects.
There are too many inconsistencies and too many contradictions in the official story for me to believe what I have been told by our government. When a witness tells one lie during the course of a judicial proceeding or a judgment, their testimony is to be disbelieved in its entirety.
Once you throw out the government line as propaganda, all sorts of possibilities come to light. Follow the money is the one tried and true method of divining what actually occurred on 9/11. Money is liquid power, so following how power shifts and moves is another method of observing what actually caused 9/11 to occur in the first place.
The result has been confusion and disarray, followed by our government clamping down on its people so as to dilute, or eliminate, their civil rights. Their constitutionally-protected rights. What causes that? And if there weren't so many unbelievable explanations for what took place on 9-11 -- like a 757 jumbo jet crashing into the Pentagon at full speed, leaving too small a damage area and almost no sizeable debris field -- I might be inclined to believe that we were victims of a Muslim terrorist plot. But to tell such a big and bold lie smells too much like a, "Reichstag Fire," phenomenon to escape my incredulity.
So the short answer is this: I wouldn't believe a cockpit voice recorder played for me by my government was the genuine article regardless of most of the circumstances of the presentation.
posted by
Volaar
on July 24, 2004 at 11:57 AM
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Interesting
What do you think of the recordings of the last minutes/seconds of Flight 93?
posted by
sarwood
on July 24, 2004 at 9:34 AM
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