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You're getting even warmer, sannhet
Those who love and trust make the Kingdom easier to find because you still have to decide to look for it and who would want to find a bunch of uptight, grasping, money and power loving ...oh wait...that sounds like Hollywood.  The fact that there are loving people in the world is evidence that the Kingdom exists.

posted by pappy on December 9, 2004 at 3:43 PM | link to this | reply

Pappy -
Ok, now I think I see it. Those who love, and act lovingly, are examples of the living kingdom. Thanks for the help.

posted by sannhet on December 9, 2004 at 2:16 PM | link to this | reply

You're getting warmer, sannhet
The concept of the kingdom is like the concept of government we carry in our heads. We see the police and other workers, and we see the tax bill. All the rest comes from what we read or what we visualize on TV. The clues that show the presence of the kingdom are not so different. They are seen in the way people act, in what they do and why they do it. Some have trust, hope, love and faith. Others see those things as obstacles in their path toward riches and power. In the Kingdom, ONLY those kind of attributes attract real riches and power.

posted by pappy on December 9, 2004 at 2:05 PM | link to this | reply

JustA -

I'm wondering if we are talking about different things? While I agree that the "kingdom" is everywhere, I don't know that we can access it while still in our bodies by doing "outside" things (good works, etc.). But we can access the "kingdom" by going within. Or am I missing what you are saying?

posted by sannhet on December 9, 2004 at 6:04 AM | link to this | reply

Ok…I agree…oh…about 1000 percent.

Except for one thing, the Kingdom is not either within or without…It’s both, and it is always Now. You have to totally love what you are (inside and out) as well as everything relating to the outside world. After all, what is…is what is…

What did he say…“ if salt should lose its season”…or something like that…

posted by justAcarpenter on December 8, 2004 at 8:54 PM | link to this | reply

i've heard that

posted by Xeno-x on December 8, 2004 at 3:14 PM | link to this | reply

And what about author, Samantha Hewitt?  She has a lot to say before Karen Armstrong's time.

posted by TARZANA on December 8, 2004 at 3:04 PM | link to this | reply

Westwend -
Exactly! "Spilling over" is a good way to put it. That's kind of what happens. And we do have to be careful so that others don't think we need medication - though certain kinds of "medication" can help one to see the other levels.

posted by sannhet on December 8, 2004 at 2:51 PM | link to this | reply

okay -- yeah I see it.

like you reach a certain level on this plane and you might sort of "spill over" into another -- we have to be receptive to it though -- and then not be considered as needing medication.

might that be why we have so few mystics today?

posted by Xeno-x on December 8, 2004 at 2:46 PM | link to this | reply