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Avant -
Yeah, I think power has a lot to do with it. Damn Ego!
posted by
sannhet
on March 18, 2005 at 1:47 PM
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power
i'm afraid, my friend, that most in authority would want you to remain obedient to what they tell you to do. if they wanted you independent, it would take their power away from them. i used to laught at the Pentecostal snake handlers. I don't laught at them anymore. they are demonstrating faith.
posted by
avant-garde
on March 18, 2005 at 1:25 PM
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JustA -
Good quote. Thanks.
posted by
sannhet
on March 18, 2005 at 6:54 AM
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“In as much as you believe…it shall be added unto you.”
posted by
justAcarpenter
on March 17, 2005 at 11:38 PM
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Pappy -
That could be. But I still wonder why this path is not explored more by mainstream churches.
posted by
sannhet
on March 17, 2005 at 8:37 PM
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Darrke -
Yeah, I wish I had some answers too.
posted by
sannhet
on March 17, 2005 at 8:36 PM
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Good questions sannhet
Perhaps we don't witness them because we don't have the faith required to see such things. We become so schooled in science and medicine that the miraculous passes by unnoticed. If a man were sick unto death and we prayed for him, who would declare it a miracle if he got well? Most would say it was coincidence or that he was getting better anyway. In some drug trials, the placebo cures as many as the drug but do we call positive thinking a miracle? I tell you, it is.
posted by
pappy
on March 17, 2005 at 7:40 PM
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Painter -
I agree with you. Miracles aren't needed. And one shouldn't dwell on them or on what one has done. But to be able to perform these miracles points to one who has worked hard to deepen his/her understanding of "God" and the universe, who has reached a higher level of spirituality/consciousness. It's a reward, if you will, for one who has beaten back demons and supressed the Ego enough to come that much closer to "God".
posted by
sannhet
on March 17, 2005 at 6:30 PM
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Yeshua wasn't the only one at that time
there were quite a few "messiahs" who according to reports performed the same, if not similar, miracles.
some, of course, are parables, and should be taken as such.
others -- we have to "look behind the scenes" between the lines.
but first let me say that I believe I've experienced miracles -- nothing big -- small stuff.
let's take the time when Peter et al had been fishing all day and hadn't caught a thing and then Yeshua said, cast your nets over there, and the nets were totally full.
there's a fish in Gennesaret whose migratory patterns bring it into Capernaum's waters at the same time every day, just at the end of the day. big schools of fish.
Yeshua knew of these fish where the disciples, coming from another town on Gennesaret, did not.
miracle explained -- simple knowledge.
some of the healings and raisings from "death" could be explained by Yeshua's ahving a knowledge of things that others didn't
the water into wine could be a parable for teaching.
etc.
this said -- the tales of miracles were intended to help convince and convert.
today -- we shouldn't be looking to miracles in order to believe.
such things simply aren't needed.
that mind that is well grounded works with validity -- the mind that needs miracles in order to believe is apt to lose belief.
posted by
Xeno-x
on March 17, 2005 at 3:29 PM
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Great questions. I wish someone had answers!
posted by
DarrkeThoughts
on March 17, 2005 at 3:13 PM
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