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Painter -

I like the stream analogy, and I agree that everything affects everything else because we are all apart of the ALL.

posted by sannhet on April 27, 2005 at 3:01 PM | link to this | reply

Avant -

I agree, but I think if we would get out of our own way and listen for "God's" will, then we would be doing what we are supposed to do.

posted by sannhet on April 27, 2005 at 3:00 PM | link to this | reply

Metta -

Detachment is definitely a key to success.

posted by sannhet on April 27, 2005 at 2:59 PM | link to this | reply

The Universe is a mighty stream.

We are all particles in it.

Consider the stream, however.

On the surface, it would seem that the stream, the huge River of Existence, is the be all and in all and end all and moves mightily everything in its path and within it.

Every twig, every particle, every droplet that comprises that stream.

However, consider the stream again. It itself is affected by that of which it is composed. Each droplet is part of the substance of the stream. Each twig, each particle, each droplet, all affect the motion and movement and course of the stream as it courses along.

Like an atom's movement does indeed reverberate through the surrounding atoms and eventually affects a Whole.

Each individual does indeed have volition. That volition does indeed affect the stream by which the individual is affected.

It is being composed of individual volition that moves all that is.

Remember, Abraham changed history by persuading YHVH to spare Sodom and Gomorrah if only 10 righteous were found -- had Abraham not pleaded so, Lot and his daughters would not have been spared. Then the question arises, was Abraham a tool by which they were spared, used by YHVH?

The same could be said of Moses when YHVH was ready to destroy the Israelites and make a new nation of his descendants and Moses persuaded YHVH otherwise.

That which moves cannot help but be moved -- for every acton there is an equal and opposite reaction.

A ball hits another ball and its trajectory is changed while at the same time affecting the other.

all affects and is affected

posted by Xeno-x on April 27, 2005 at 2:21 PM | link to this | reply

sannhet

we can only imagine that we know what we are doing. if we did, we'd already have what we are after.

posted by avant-garde on April 27, 2005 at 1:05 PM | link to this | reply

yes, nothing happens beyond God's Will... I believe it might not always be God's wish... but it is His Will...

I think this is why we must do our best and leave the results to God... and try our best to be detached from the results...

posted by Metta on April 27, 2005 at 12:50 PM | link to this | reply

Don -

Exactly. This is what the book I am reading to arguing for: there is only Divine Will.

posted by sannhet on April 27, 2005 at 9:19 AM | link to this | reply

RE "...no such thing as two separate wills,"

Ramesh Balsekar says that "there are no autonomous entities," and that "we" have no volition. There is only Thy Will, according to Cosmic Law which the human being cannot possibly imagine or understand.