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Yes, that's true, Ciel.
There seem to be levels of attachment. Those that aren't tremendously binding, I have the release choice. Those that are stronger, I need to work through. I'm thinking of one relationship right now that I've been working on that has somehow resolved in the last few months.
posted by
Oceandancer
on May 14, 2005 at 7:15 AM
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ODancer, that does sound like a great way to get free of extraneous bonds!
Do you ever find it doesn't work? That the issue needs to be worked out, not just let go of? I would think now and then there would be one like that.
posted by
Ciel
on May 13, 2005 at 10:36 PM
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Oceandancer
That sounds like a very good idea to me.
posted by
GoldenMean
on May 13, 2005 at 9:37 PM
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Interesting topic.
Funny thing about karma is I've "seen" the connections I have with people as being from before this life. I mean if there's some kind of draw to a person and I don't know why I meditate into it and see the lines of karma connecting us.
I often choose to just say, hey, this is a new life and I don't have to fall into those old patterns. I then in that same meditative state release whatever hold I have on that person and ask that they release me.
posted by
Oceandancer
on May 13, 2005 at 12:30 PM
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Ciel
Reincarnation seems to me to be the most plausible scenario of physical/spiritual life in the universe, but I reject the concept of karma. You are painting karma with pleasing colors, but it has a very nasty side, when people are mutilated and killed by natural disasters, crimes, and wars. And what about horrific birth defects, caused by the drug or alcohol abuse of the mother? I would ask you to clarify your concept of karma, whether victims of these things are experiencing their prescribed dose of karma. Especially if the human perpetrators of these things have the free will to "choose to abuse."
posted by
GoldenMean
on May 12, 2005 at 9:10 PM
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O-Dancer, when you are feeling that sense of past-lives being
an entirely reasonable notion, notice what other truths are significant to you about people, and life, and the world, and yourself: Notice what beliefs are entwined with that one, or even just sharing the same neighborhood. Then, on an occasion when past-lives seem absurd and fanciful, notice what other truths are then part of your sense of the world and yourself. Do you find other conflicts among your beliefs besides the question of the reality, or not, of past-lives?
Somewhere in the pages of this blog I wrote about feeling this same way you do about multiple lives, and suggested a reason for it there.
And recently, I offered up the idea that at any given time, the members of any particular 'evolvement class' may be in the body, or out. There are things that can only be done with a body; there are things that can only be seen without one... I think we make our own lesson plan, based on what we want to focus on learning, while we are out of the body. Then, living the plan in a state of forgetfulness, we blame our frustrations of not-having-learned-yet on everything except our selves!
I agree that getting a body is not as simple a matter as 'automatic!' We can make mistakes with the one we have that recall us for remedial studies before we can have another to neglect, abuse or otherwise dishonor.
posted by
Ciel
on May 12, 2005 at 7:41 PM
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It's funny, I totally believe in karma and reincarnation
and at the same time I reject it. I can't figure out why... Perhaps something to do with numbers. There are so damn many of us now, where the heck are we all coming from?
I also resent being in continual school until the lesson is learned. I'm sure that's probably what's going on, but I'm going to battle against the concept all the same.
I recently read the Daoist view that it's very difficult to reincarnate. It doesn't happen as often as we're led to expect. And so each life is incredibly precious. -->I'm much happier with this view. Saves me the relentless hopelessness of being on the hamster wheel of reincarnation.
posted by
Oceandancer
on May 12, 2005 at 6:23 AM
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Ciel,
Great post, esp. your last line. Love that!
posted by
Julia.
on May 11, 2005 at 3:42 PM
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EHP, all you did was prove yourself somehow out of sync with Truth--
and what you are doing in this life, is getting more in-sync...
(Lip-synching --another aspect of channeling?)
posted by
Ciel
on May 11, 2005 at 3:41 PM
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Thanks, Alf!
posted by
Ciel
on May 11, 2005 at 3:38 PM
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i think
therefore i am
no
i think
that I have been experiencing Karmic instruction in this life -- there are times that I would hate to think of what i did in a past life,
posted by
Xeno-x
on May 11, 2005 at 3:15 PM
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Good post Ciel...and a great Title!
posted by
A_Norseman
on May 11, 2005 at 11:55 AM
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HI, Jeremy!
I have a feeling that things like to be as simple as possible. Conservation of Energy sorta thing... But human beings with ur busy brains, we love to find complex explanations-- like Rube Goldberg contraptions of the mind!
http://www.rube-goldberg.com/html/pencil_sharpener.htm
posted by
Ciel
on May 11, 2005 at 9:34 AM
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Sannhet, I've thought of it in terms of simultaneous human lives in this
universe... Your idea goes into more profound realms of Transcendental Multi-tasking...
posted by
Ciel
on May 11, 2005 at 9:28 AM
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Hi Ciel
thank you for the post!I understand and experience happenings in a way I see as karma,but the idea of defining karma or that which creates karma is a mess of variables that seem to be complicated, when I believe it is a simple understanding.thankyou
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posted by
appleworks7
on May 11, 2005 at 8:37 AM
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Ciel -
Good post! I've often wondered that since time is not linear, could one learn lessons simultaneously in multiple universes?
posted by
sannhet
on May 11, 2005 at 7:57 AM
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