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Thank you for explaining yourself, glenn!
Here's what you wrote initially: "Neither you nor any other American has any right to determine who can come to America for any reason of purpose!" If you meant excluding criminal intent, then you should have said so. Think this stuff through before blasting me, and you'll save yourself a lot of aggravation.
posted by
WriterofLight
on May 17, 2005 at 8:25 PM
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Writeroflight,
Again you take reasoned commentary and turn it to spin to meet your talking points! Illegal criminal activity is completly seperate from immigration issues. What is the use
posted by
Glennb
on May 17, 2005 at 7:17 AM
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Welcome, terpgirl and zoke!
Honored to have you on board.
Scoop, homeland security has, for its successes, emerged as another bureaucracy. So much more needs to be done where it matters.
Glenn, you amaze me. Let’s take that proposal in your first comment to its logical conclusion: “Neither you nor any other American has any right to determine who can come to America for any reason of purpose!” By that logic, anyone bringing in drugs, bioterror weapons or anything else is welcome and must not be stopped because Americans don’t have the right to keep those people out. And if you have such a problem with human interest stories and supposedly isolated cases, the bathroom is third door on the right down the hall.
Zoke, thanks very much for your comment!
posted by
WriterofLight
on May 16, 2005 at 7:48 PM
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GlennB
If you want people to get beyond your first line, stop the crazy "YOU PEOPLE" line. I'm surprised you read it at all. A quick scan would have shown you I didn't use the phrase "Brown" or "George" once.
posted by
terpgirl30
on May 16, 2005 at 11:17 AM
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Terpgirl30,
When people write these contrived human interest stories to make a point. I get the urge to puke! This "Hollier" than everybody else on the Planet attitude is odious nonsense! The migration of workers to find work has nothing in common with seeking political refuge in America. I am not in a position to speak for anyone's specific purposes for coming here other than "to work"? But you people have to stop the mixing and matching of isolated cases to meet your limited agenda.
posted by
Glennb
on May 16, 2005 at 9:53 AM
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A sort of side issue---immigration in general--whose rules?
I've looked at retiring in the Cayman Islands. Ten years ago, when I looked, you had to have about $250k to invest in property there, not work for a year after you moved there to ensure you would not be taking any local's job, and ...before they'd even consider you, you have to go through both a criminal background check, as well as a thorough medical exam. The decision to let you in was more or less in about 4 hands by the end of the process. By comparison, our standards are nothing.
Most countries won't allow our products to be sold in their country without a high price...let alone let our people live there. Most countries have a sort of immigration policy. Check out the rulebooks on other countries.
I'll take it a step beyond. I wrote an article on a Polish immigrant seeking political asylum. He very obviously would have been in trouble had he returned. He was part of Solidarity before such a thing existed. His family was the equivalent the generation before. His home was always being raided, and the men carted off in the middle of the night.
This guy was a very young, still prominent, well-regarded, engineer, newly married, new baby. When he came to the US, he stayed, thinking it was a no brainer in bringing his wife and child over given his circumstances. Well...No. This brilliant human cleaned toilets and did janitorial services as he taught himself English. That's the work ethic he had. It didn't occur to him that it was a lowly thing to learn take another job while he worked his way up and in. The Polish government wanted him back, so to teach him a lesson, it wouldn't let the wife or child leave. Years passed, and they let the woman leave. She thought the daughter was a matter of paperwork.
Political persecution? This man's case is pretty much the definition. The Polish government then claimed the child was a Polish citizen so it would not release her. Still, since her parents weren't there, the gov't would not allow her to attend school. She had all the obligations of being a Polish citizen but was not allowed any benefits.
It took nine years for this man to see his daughter.
The point of all of this? After all the fighting with the Polish government, the US said they couldn't grant the man asylum unless the Polish government forwarded a note (A NOTE!!!) saying he would be persecuted if he returned. Yeah! Needless to say, he didn't get the note from his motherland.
The family is well in New York, where he is again an engineer. He's exactly the kind of asset you'd want on your team. But he couldn't get political asylum. The playing field is not level on this one. There are quotas and caps. This guy couldn't get the okay because the US only allows that a certain percent of immigrants to come from Eastern and Western Europe. It's not a case-by-case need thing ever.
posted by
terpgirl30
on May 16, 2005 at 8:26 AM
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Writeroflight,
It is amazing how you people can be so ignorant while pretending to be so intelligent. Neither you nor any other American has any right to determine who can come to America for any reason of purpose! At least they are here to make a better life, not destroy America. Get American troops and theives out of Iraq then you can build a fence around this America and call it an insane Asylum!
posted by
Glennb
on May 15, 2005 at 5:33 PM
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I'm impressed with this blog
because it touches upon a lot of the issues that I find paradoxical in the government today. The only problem is, the people that can really do something about it, face intense pressure on either side of the issue. We should let them do their jobs without giving them the heat.
posted by
zoke
on May 15, 2005 at 12:55 PM
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WofLight I could not believe this either
after 4 years since 9/11 our borders are still not secure and there are still places up north on the Canadian border with Vermont, NH and Maine that are very loose and open and taxpayers should be upset with all the money that has been spent on programs for Homeland Security, much of the money has been wasted and did not even get spent on security. On another note the Marines still don't have a high percentage of the Humvees in Iraq armor plated yet. Yes I could blame Bush, but it is people under him that screw up and it falls on him.
posted by
scoop
on May 15, 2005 at 11:12 AM
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