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CIA ws bullied into almost manufacuring evidence by Bush Adm. -- changing it and giving untrue reports.
CIA did not see any such production of WMD's -- they as much as told the Pres. a couple of operative who gave the report were given new positions as punishment and a message: give the information we want to hear and give the nation to serve our own faulty conclusions, not the truth.
all the info about WMDs, etc., was given by suspect sources.
I have linked to a page demonstrating the lies the adm told to get us into Iraq.
you have a choice -- believe lies, or go on a true course.
posted by
Xeno-x
on November 21, 2006 at 2:12 PM
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King
I have NO idea...I just consider the source~
posted by
Offy
on November 10, 2006 at 4:40 PM
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OBP, what's this about a 50-something woman running naked?
posted by
kingmi
on November 10, 2006 at 4:39 PM
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I can't either...2 years is about how long it will take ...in the meatime there is one man who holds all veto power..
posted by
Offy
on November 10, 2006 at 2:10 PM
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Offbeats - Also, the visual of a 50-something woman runnng naked..eeeeeeeee
posted by
blogflogger
on November 10, 2006 at 1:59 PM
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Offbeats - We're sounding a bit "shrill" these days dear. Pissed off?
Abgry because the rabid-right has been thrown out of power? Not liking humble pie after all the posts the right has offered us about how wrong all we liberals were and how righteous all of you were? Oops. We win, you lose. I can't wait for 2008.
posted by
blogflogger
on November 10, 2006 at 1:58 PM
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Burly - Why not just allow him to be President? Because it's supposed ...
... to be a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, not in spite of the people. The people's message was loud and clear in this election. This is not a dictatorship.
posted by
blogflogger
on November 10, 2006 at 1:53 PM
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cantey, I agree. the media is a 4th column!
Thanks for reading and commenting.
posted by
kingmi
on November 8, 2006 at 4:03 PM
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the problem with the Repubs is
they did not go on the offensive against constant Democrat assault over the last 2 years. The American public turned against the war because of the media just like in the 60's and the Repubs just lay around like a bunch of country club frat boy goofballs who have not learned squat from history. I mean its all about the media. How else does the public know ANYTHING? How else does the public even know we are at war?
posted by
calmcantey75
on November 7, 2006 at 11:32 PM
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JanesO, we need to learn from our mistakes and regroup for 08!
posted by
kingmi
on November 7, 2006 at 11:23 PM
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Great post Kingmi, and very interesting comments.
I never cease to be amazed at the troubles democrats and a select number of wishy washy Republicans have recalling the very bilateral and nearly unanimous votes in favor of going to war with Iraq. As well, they seem to have a very selective recall when it comes to remembering the intelligence data that was provided to all parties involved prior to the Iraq invasion.
Not to beat a dead horse, but it would seem to me that a certain percentage of our leaders, as well as those of a certain party, have chosen to have very selective amnesia with regards to their objection of the War. So would they have the balls to call themselves liars, too?
That said, I myself have been rather wishy washy over the whole Iraq war. It's not something I am strongly behind; however, it certainly has most definitely NOT affected the way I voted today. There is so much more to being a Republican than how the Iraq war is doing. For one thing, this business of 40 million lives lost since Roe v Wade, not to mention the whole stem cell debacle (I'm all for cord/adult stem cells). OK, don't get me wound up.
(Sorry to ramble.)
posted by
JanesOpinion
on November 7, 2006 at 4:47 PM
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WriterofLight, True that! Now have a happy election day!
posted by
kingmi
on November 7, 2006 at 5:50 AM
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Speaking of errors of logic . . .
How about the idea that Bush created the WMD intelligence? How could George W Bush have created what Bubb Clinton was declaring to be true before the 2000 election?
posted by
WriterofLight
on November 6, 2006 at 8:41 PM
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DamonLeigh - Good comment.
posted by
blogflogger
on November 6, 2006 at 12:59 PM
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Loud-n-Proud - Great comment, and yes, I'm familiar with all aspects of ...
....the Downing Street Memos, and signed Conyers call for impeachment.
posted by
blogflogger
on November 6, 2006 at 12:55 PM
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katray, the global context is still there. We have no need for Iraqi oil
proceeds, yetif the bathtub goes low on one end, it goes low on the other in counterpoint. I think you can find whatever you're looking for in comments from administration officials. have you read the
Pentagon's New Map? He spells it all out about Iraq and the USA re: oil.
posted by
kingmi
on June 24, 2005 at 11:44 PM
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This wasn't an economic or oil supply forum KIngmi
The statement was made in response to a question about why N. Korea hasn't been attacked by the U.S., considering they really do possess nukes.
posted by
Katray2
on June 24, 2005 at 10:49 PM
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Katray, Thank you dear -- you are beautiful! Now I think what Wolfawitz
was suggesting that to take out that reservoir of oil would deplete the world market dribving up prices for everyone. People on that siede of the earth get their oil. We just want to keep our suppliers from going under. I don't think he meant we couldn't pass up a good deal, do you?
posted by
kingmi
on June 24, 2005 at 10:41 PM
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You're so right Kingmi, Somebody is Lying!
Wonder Who?
Let's look at it simply. The most important difference between North Korea and Iraq is that economically, we just had no choice in Iraq. The country swims on a sea of oil. (Statement by Paul Wolfowitz, deputy defense secretary at the time of comment; now head of the World Bank - June 2003.)
posted by
Katray2
on June 24, 2005 at 10:37 PM
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jethro, You speak the truth! We are safer with strong leaders doing the
right thing.
posted by
kingmi
on June 24, 2005 at 8:30 PM
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Kingmi- Great post.
Damon Leigh- I hope you are not one of the several Brits on this site who have cried about Americans abuse of the English language. "Terror" is a noun there chief (Roget's just to be certain). Didn't you have something published before? Just for laughs though let's use your erroneous adjective label and point out some other "myths" I suspect you believe in like "The war on poverty" or "The war on hunger".
Military Wife- I'm glad you pointed that out. You can hide anything. Especially something as concentrated as a biological agent. Consider the U.S. where at any given time there are probably several thousand tons of cocaine in circulation. All of that comes from outside the U.S. undetected. Another thing nobody mentions is simply that Saddam or his associates could have passed the technological secrets on as we know has already happened in Pakistan.
posted by
jethro
on June 24, 2005 at 8:20 PM
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Military wife -- Hey I am back from the gig! It's over and I'm beat!
Thaks for the comment on hiding stuff in Iraq. Your husband is a brave and lucky guy!
posted by
kingmi
on June 24, 2005 at 8:20 PM
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The Things That Can Be Buried In The Sand
Before my husband left for Iraq, I was given the name of the post he was supposed to be send. For various reasons he went elsewhere, but I digress.
This post and you can look it up on the net (I did) had a sand storm sometime back. When the storm was over someone noticed something sticking out of the sand. HMMMMMMMMMM it was a tailfin...to a MIG jet. They continued to look and found if I recall correctly 16 of them on that post alone. If you can hide a 16 fighter planes for over a year as people walk over them daily, I'm thinking you can hide other things.
posted by
Bel_
on June 24, 2005 at 2:47 PM
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OBP, I'm so happy that Glennb lives in La-la Land. We can go visit him
from time to time.
posted by
kingmi
on June 24, 2005 at 10:15 AM
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Glen
I forgot one thing, be careful of that machine( the one that attacks in your head from time to time) I believe you called it a Republican attack machine? In reality, you stray from the facts of the posts every where you go on the subject of Bush, Iraq..or anyone else who doesn't agree with your sissy freakin la-la idea's. The fact and no attack is THEY(The Clinton whitehouse) WENT 8 YEARS OF FORGETTING 411....
posted by
Offy
on June 24, 2005 at 5:39 AM
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GLEN
I am so exciting to be around...wanta hang out for a while?
posted by
Offy
on June 24, 2005 at 5:32 AM
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DL
Just like anyone else...I say because you refuse to see it, does not mean it doesn't exist! If you really believe there is no war on terror, that's a la-la land of denial we can't wonder around in at the global level.
posted by
Offy
on June 24, 2005 at 5:29 AM
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Offbeatpub,
My comment had nothing to do with the amount but the source! But again you people go "off subject to stay on message"! Strange this Republican attack machine.
Although the real issue is "running naked into a cactus"? I tell you Offbeatpub you sound like a very "exciting Republican" to be around!! Hmmmm???
posted by
Glennb
on June 24, 2005 at 4:35 AM
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Loud 'n' Proud...
...great response, man!
Offbeatpub - there is a war going on - a war in the mind of Bush, and a war in Iraq started by Bush on evidence that consisted of - and I quote - "facts fixed around the policy".
The War Against Terror (T.W.A.T.) is a myth. You can't declare war on an adjective!!
And the lies keep coming, if you're watching. Cheney said three days ago that the Iraqi insurgency was in it's dying throes. Then the commander on the ground went public and said - IN DIRECT CONTRAST - that the number of foreign fighters in Iraq was actually increasing.
Nice try, Dick. Maybe next time, you could go against the grain of the Bush White House and tell the truth for once. Especially if there are people around who are not going to bullshit for you.
One final point. Rumsfeld was asked to resign because of the lethal farce he is allegedly overseeing. His response? Well, he refused, on the basis that he's offered his resignation TWICE previously, and Bush has refused to accept it!!! Now, what are we to make of that???
D
posted by
DamonLeigh
on June 24, 2005 at 12:17 AM
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OBP, Hahahahahaha! You rock woman!
posted by
kingmi
on June 23, 2005 at 11:36 PM
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KINGMI
That would have to be a very, very ,very late night talk show. He could probably gather a following of no fewer than 2. Himself and the camera man~~
posted by
Offy
on June 23, 2005 at 11:34 PM
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Offbeat, I thought you were going to say the host of a late night talk show
Hahahaha. I think he'd be good!
posted by
kingmi
on June 23, 2005 at 11:31 PM
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GlenB
Yeah right. I am as much a plant for the party as you are the host of MoveOn.Org.
You are one person who will NEVER, EVER "GET IT". Your remark makes about as much sense as me takin off my clothes and running naked into a catcus! Hell, I have paid more in taxes than most people make in a decade. Never cheated my gov't, you see GlenB, there are people who are honest. Were you ever a "Moonie?"
posted by
Offy
on June 23, 2005 at 11:30 PM
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Loud-n-Proud,
Great response! Ignore the garbage that trashes truth with garbage! That is all they have! I still maintain that the Republican machine has paid "plants and hacks" roaming the Planet to spreade manure! It would be very easy to prove by examining their tax returns! They have stole enough tax payer dollars to fund thier madness!
You have reason and truth to validate your humanity. Sadly they will also benefit from the good in humanity!
You ever notice that they blame Clinton for Bush not doing his job! But when it comes to Reagan and Bush I, nobody mentions the first bombing of the World Trade Center! Can't bilieve they think we should all roll-over!
posted by
Glennb
on June 23, 2005 at 10:49 PM
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Offbeat!
You go, girl!! Right on!!!
posted by
Krisles
on June 23, 2005 at 10:24 PM
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Offbeatpub, Now tell us what you really think! Hahahahaha!
Ted kennedy could not hold a candle next to Donald Rumsfeld. There's a real man, not just a worker, but a leader. You know the difference between a manager and a leader?
posted by
kingmi
on June 23, 2005 at 10:21 PM
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KINGMI
Our President has not LIED! DOES EVERYONE FORGET UN RES #441? We had the "GUTLESS WONDER" Clinton for 8 years who never gave a thought to it, he was so busy getting a BJ and WHITEWATER, TRAVELGATE, ETC,ETC. I don't care if a man gets a BJ either, but by GOD not on my dime! If Clinton had been more pro active in enforcement of 441, it may not have come to this. No wonder Saddam loves Clinton.
We have a very real war going on, not just in Iraq, but around the globe. If people don't wake up, that war (terror) maybe in their own backyard. God forbid, but it could happen!
I watched old Ted Kennedy ask Donald Rumsfeld to step down from the Sec of Def today. Now to prove my point about people not remembering too good..Ted Kennedy couldn't remember where he left Mary Jo, he has no solution for Iraq , and needed to shut his freakin mouth about 30 years ago(after the Palm Beach ordeal). That fat mouth, lying asshole asks a man who has been a WORK HORSE for the better part of his life...to resign???
posted by
Offy
on June 23, 2005 at 10:15 PM
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Absolutely!
Where are the voices calling for impeacment? They are out there, but the media won't cove the story. If you control the media, you control the minds (small as they may be) of the country.
Last week Senator John Conyers took his petition with the signatures of 576,000 American citizens on it to the White House. We, who signed the petition, wanted to ask Bush to explain the Downing Street Memo.
I have heard the right wing spinners claim that the signatures were fake "When they check with all the people who supposedly signed they will find that none did"... Well, I can't vouch for the other 575,999 but I signed it. It actually scared me a little to do so, because this administration is not above looking up every signature, and seeing what bad luck they can direct your way. Alot of others expressed the same concern, but if you want freedom you have to be willing to take a stand.
I have also heard that the "Downing Street Memo" is a manufactured lie. Funny, if that is true why have none of the people quoted in the memo said so? Why has Bush been so quiet about it? Even that windbag Rush Limbaugh said he "hasn't covered the Downing Street Memo because he simply doesn't care".
Why do we care if Clinton got a BJ, yet not care that Bush created intelligence to support a war that he wanted regardless of the circumstances? To me its not the lie itself that is important. It is the purpose, and the result of the lie that matter most. I could care less if a man not married to me cheats and lies about it. That is about as much news as "dog bites man". I do care if our administration is so corrupt that it lies its way into a war, spends billions of my tax dollars to pay for this war, and kills thousands of people in the process.
So what was the White House response to the questions of 576,000 Americans? A loud and clear "No comment".
Sadly, you probably never heard about the Downing Street Memo, Conyers petition, or the white house response unless you watch CSPAN3. The media didn't seem to consider a story worth much coverage.
posted by
Loud-n-Proud
on June 23, 2005 at 8:59 PM
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Burly,
Because, there are a lot of "Dead Bodies" in the wake and a lot more on the horizon!
posted by
Glennb
on June 23, 2005 at 5:53 PM
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Kingmi
Why do we want to keep kicking our Presidents out? Why don't we let George Bush do what he was intent on doing, with or without WMD's and see what happens. Why don't we just allow him to be President? Why not?
posted by
Burly
on June 23, 2005 at 2:10 PM
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