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That's exactly what I thought
posted by
ariel70
on September 16, 2005 at 1:58 PM
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Ariel70...Be not dismayed.There's a majority of unreflected over here doing the right stuff. Day in and day out they're too busy to rant...for Media and mirror reflection.
posted by
reasons
on September 16, 2005 at 1:54 PM
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Quirky
Wow" Somewhat drastic, isn't it? LOL
Thanks for dropping by
posted by
ariel70
on September 16, 2005 at 1:43 PM
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Well said ariel--vicious comments are just plain rude and uncalled for. If someone can't debate or explain their point of view like a mature human being with respect for others, then they should put clothespins on all their fingers.
posted by
Julia.
on September 16, 2005 at 1:40 PM
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Layla
Yes, your comment does make sense.
One often wonders why people leave nasty comments ; if they didn't like the post, why not either just go away, or say something constructive.
I feel very strongly about this. especially when such comments are sent to a new blogger, who's just feeling their way around ; it's rude, discourteous and demoralising.
Thanks for dropping by
posted by
ariel70
on September 16, 2005 at 1:36 PM
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Wow...
That was very well written...I hope you don't want a report on it, due at "the end of class" today, lol!
I've noticed here and other places where folks can freely offer their opinions that there is aways going to be some sort of clashing--even if people try to do it "nicely." I don't know if that's okay, or not okay, or right or wrong, but it's just the way it is, I guess...although I TOTALLY find myself being EASILY defensive, and I am trying to work on that. Like the other day--another blogger--a well-respected blogger--commented on one of my posts. He was TRYING to be as nice as he could given the situation, but it actually came across as a little rude, in my opinion...I popped off a comment back, and that was the end of it. THEN, I was thinking--that IF he didn't like what I posted about, WHY comment at all??? Was he just TRYING to pick a fight??? I honestly DON'T believe so...it's just the nature of people like us, who like to share our thoughts, and sometimes that's a hard pill to swallow...
...I hope that made sense, because I'm not sure it did!!! 
~LB~
posted by
Anony_Miss
on September 16, 2005 at 1:27 PM
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Decshak
Thank you for your comment.
What you say is perfectly true ; faced with lies and corruption strong action is needed, but as an outsider, I'm afraid that I see a growing tendency to violent distortion of facts, and an increasing tendency not to listen to others' opinions from both sides in America.
And this can more be said of Britain then America, for the Blair administrations have from their inception been mired in corruption, evasion, downright, barefaced lies, and utter incompetence on an unbelievable scale.
I'm so glad that I got the hell out of that swamp, and came to live in Spain ; because believe, my friend ,Bush has got nothing on Blair. I think he's the missing Fifth Horseman Apocalypse. If he isn't he's sure a close relation!
Good luck with your blog
posted by
ariel70
on September 16, 2005 at 12:02 PM
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Thanks for visiting. I agree that there are immature bloggers in these
parts and that political rhetoric has heated up. However, free speech is one of those things that is better to tolerate than to suppress. The British have lurid rags, just as much as the U.S. does. Their soap-box derbies are on their street corners, too. What makes us so angry about Bush, for example, is that he lies, and us Democrats have finally decided not to take this abuse lying down. Democracy requires action, not complacency, at some times more than at others. So, while I also get upset because of outlandish rhetoric, sometimes it is the only way to get people to pay attention to what is really happening to America's future. As somebody said, "The only thing required for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing."
posted by
WindTapper
on September 16, 2005 at 11:39 AM
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Flame
Thank you for you interesting comment.
Altho' it might seem presumptuous for an outsider to comment on American domestic and foreign policy, I feel that every friend of America has a duty to support the silent, moderate majority, whose voice in rarely, if ever heard abroad.
And doto what one can in one's writings to attempt to stem the irrational and violent anti-Americanism among British and Europeans ; most of which stems from ignroance or base motives.
posted by
ariel70
on September 16, 2005 at 9:03 AM
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Your article on the whole was wonderful and wonderfully written and it also betrays your maturity and objective looks or observation at World affairs. You also pointed out the excesses of the Media in areas of conflict such as Northern Ireland and Iraq where they always misrepresent things or blow them out of propotion. We really need people like you who are cool headed and above all thoughtful to bring down tempers.
posted by
Flame-thrower
on September 16, 2005 at 8:41 AM
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reni
Oh yes! Inspired choice! Love it!
posted by
ariel70
on September 16, 2005 at 8:07 AM
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Discourse such as yours
Is the very thing that allows freedom to exist, and gives us the hope at least that future politicians may rise from schools of thought such as you espout. Thanks
posted by
dryten
on September 16, 2005 at 8:04 AM
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Ariel, I think this suits you! lol
posted by
Renigade
on September 16, 2005 at 8:03 AM
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Talion and Renigade
Talion, thank you for your gracious reply to my comment, and I apologise to you for misconstruing your intentions.
One does get a little sensitive to nasty comments left on other's posts, and is perhaps a little zealous in springing to the defence. I think that I shall have to get a suitably dramatic costume and mask, and whizz around Blogit as " COMMENT MAN!!"
posted by
ariel70
on September 16, 2005 at 8:01 AM
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Ariel70...your welcome!
posted by
Masky
on September 16, 2005 at 7:57 AM
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ariel--Now that I know of whom you speak...
Let me also assure you (after being here for a year) that Talion is NOT the type to throw barbs or hateful comments. In my experience (and we have disagreed before) he has always maintained a very professional, respectful stance on issues. Just my two cents. And DO read his stuff. He's very good.
posted by
Renigade
on September 16, 2005 at 7:54 AM
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ariel... I suppose so, but your night is my afternoon... it's no wonder we
keep missing each other! Don't shoot me...
posted by
-blackcat
on September 16, 2005 at 7:52 AM
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Masky
Thank you for your long and interesting comment. And thank you for reading, and appreciating the comment in my side bar. To many Americans it might seem impertinent for a Briton to speak up for the silent, moderate majority in their country, but it was precisely people like you, and blackcat who never get a hearing abroad
posted by
ariel70
on September 16, 2005 at 7:50 AM
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ariel70
The comment was tongue-in-cheek, an attempt at wry humor and intended not to be rude at all. I'm sorry you didn't get it. Ask some of the "older" bloggers that are more familiar with me. I think I have an exemplary reputation, never stooping to the lowest common denominator, never resorting to the language and tactics you accuse me of. I'm sorry you were offended.
posted by
Talion
on September 16, 2005 at 7:49 AM
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I see alot from the top of my fence...
posted by
Renigade
on September 16, 2005 at 7:48 AM
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Feeling ghostly....
posted by
FactorFiction
on September 16, 2005 at 7:42 AM
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Ariel70
I participated in the blog in which you have discussed, and I found the one side or the other comment a bit intrusive. I do not believe that you must be one or the other, and therefore, if a label must be made as to what my political affiliation would be I have chosen to call myself a demo-publican. This particular label implies that I agree with many of the liberal mindsets, as well as, those of conservatives. This does not make me fickle or merely on the fence. This does not make me wishy washy. This means no one particular side caters to me. I appreciate that you accept people, like myself, without judgement.
I would also like to tell you that I read the purpose of your blog. I found the manner in which you write, quite thorough and concise, very refreshing. The statement, below, is a statement that all of Blogitville should read. I've never been more proud to be an ordinary person than right now. Thank you for being here! It is very nice to read you.
"...We ordinary people are moved by love and compassion for our fellow humans ; and respect and tolerance for their differences. It's true that all it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing..."
posted by
Masky
on September 16, 2005 at 7:38 AM
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Blackcat
Aha! So you're one of those ghostly nocturnal visitors, are you?
I sit up half the night, with a flagon of wine, and my fowling piece at the ready, but I can never catch the creatures. Just think, my dear, I might have riddled your pretty butt with buckshot! What a tragedy!
posted by
ariel70
on September 16, 2005 at 7:38 AM
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ariel... it's so funny that you called me that ("the voice of reason")...
I've heard that before and it never fails to make me laugh. Thank you... I think there are more Americans like me than the ones that give us all a bad name. At least I hope so.
btw... I drop by often but don't always comment.
posted by
-blackcat
on September 16, 2005 at 7:29 AM
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Blackcat
Indeed so. Yours is the voice of reason ; the voice, I hope, of most Americans, who do not take up extreme political positions. Accepting the entire agenda of any political party is to support the harlotry of power withour accountability.
Thank you for dropping by
posted by
ariel70
on September 16, 2005 at 7:24 AM
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I always say I'm in the middle of the road between parties but I don't
think that means I'm wishy-washy. I don't just entirely agree with either side. I have bits and pieces of both. I wish we had individuals to vote for instead of political parties.... and more than two choices would be nice.
posted by
-blackcat
on September 16, 2005 at 7:19 AM
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Talion
You are correct ; it was your comment that I referred to.
Of course, I accept that " that is how moderates are sometimes viewed " but I'm afraid that to me that is no excuse for being rude to anyone. She might well not have been offended, but I was, and I found it very discourteous of you to adress her in the terms that you.
I fel that it ought to have occurred to you that, as a new blogger feling her way in here, she might be vulnerable to adverse criticism of her views, and that your comment should have been couched in more temperate terms.
You may well ask what right I had to be offended, and my reply is that it grieves me deeply to see the many scornful and scathing comments that fly around in here. I have no prentensions to being a self-appointed arbiter of conduct in Blogit, but surely you must see that we all have a duty to respect each other, and other's opinions, and ensure that our comments are reasonable.
That said, I have no quarrel withyou, and I am pleased that the lady in question, didn't take offence. I shall read you blog occasionally, for I am interested in your views.
Let there be peace between us.
posted by
ariel70
on September 16, 2005 at 7:14 AM
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ariel70
I won't name names, but this sounds like the "deplorably rude" blogger you refer to is me. The two sentences of the blogger's post reads, "I'm confused. Please tell me which label I should wear proudly." My response, "Moderate, but that means you're a wishy-washy fence straddler that lacks the courage and conviction to actually choose a side. Face it, anyone who looks at specific planks and not the entire party platform is screwed. Welcome to my world." At a glance, I admit that it looks and sounds to be as rude as you state, but a close look at the blogger's post and my comment together shows I simply stated how Moderates are often percieved. Furthermore, the comment reveals I actually agree with her. Look back at the blogger's response and you'll also see that she was not offended and understood me perfectly. I assure you, I am not the blogger or the person your interpretation of my comment implies.
posted by
Talion
on September 16, 2005 at 7:01 AM
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I have voted Green Party and Libertarian a few times. I've never voted
straight Democrat. The only Republican I ever voted for was Reagan. hehe
posted by
Ariala
on September 16, 2005 at 6:37 AM
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Ariel
Basically your observations are correct. Here a liberal is typically a democratic, while a conservative is Republican. Now that does not mean you can not have a conservative democrate, but they are few and far between. You can also have a moderate Republican whose views tend to be more liberal than a conservative Republican.. Our independents could probably be associated with other 's as the green party.
Interesting post...
posted by
Offy
on September 16, 2005 at 6:35 AM
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ariala
Good for you! It was on behalf of the moderate independents, and the don't knows that I posted that piece. It's high time that we heard more from them.
Thank you for dropping by. Got to go and do stuff now, but back later
posted by
ariel70
on September 16, 2005 at 6:34 AM
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Ariel, I stay away from the political debates on Blogit, for the most part.
I consider myself an Independent.
posted by
Ariala
on September 16, 2005 at 6:26 AM
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