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Sannhet, very interesting...who really knows? In the end we choose
our faith based on the authority we choose to submit to. For some, that's the Bible, for others its experience and the senses only and we could go on and on with the various religions or non-religions of the world.
I always enjoy learning what others believe though. Thanks.
posted by
Ariala
on September 21, 2005 at 5:00 PM
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Ariala -
You don't have to shut up on my account. I enjoy our discourse because I always learn a little bit more. There are many who believe that we choose how our bodies are going to "die" based on a lesson that we need to learn. There are those who believe we choose how we are going to die to help others learn. There are those who believe that we don't even need to be born into this world, but choose to - or not. There are also those who feel that thinking gets in the way of actually knowing "God". And of course, there are many (including Christians) who don't believe that the cruxificion actually happened - that it was merely another wonderful allegory.
Our beliefs are based on where we happen to be in our journey. I happen to think that the soul is more important then the body. Does that mean that I won't take care of my body (my temple)? No. I happen to think that my body does matter. I can't learn, in this world, without it. And I'm here to learn more about loving, about "God", about my divinity, and about how I can return to "God".
posted by
sannhet
on September 21, 2005 at 4:56 PM
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sannhet, IMHO, to say the body is not real is a philosophical error.
The first rule of philosophy: "I think therefore I am"...we think with a physical brain. All this hopscotching about to make the soul more important or "real" than the body is not intellectually honest. I know what you're saying, but I do not agree. If this life and body didn't matter, then God wouldn't have sent Jesus His Son to die a physical death to win back both the body and the soul of man. We make choices for our soul in this physical body and mind we've been given. I believe in the end, it is ALL real, and what's an illusion is man's attempt to take away the significance of life and death both.
Okay, I'll shaddup now. 
posted by
Ariala
on September 21, 2005 at 3:05 PM
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Ariala -
I wondered if you might not agree with me. I'm not saying that we pretend it doesn't exist. Death of the body does occur. But I believe the body is not real, in comparison to the soul, or to our divinity. That's the illusion.
posted by
sannhet
on September 21, 2005 at 10:37 AM
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Jomei -
I agree wholeheartedly. It should be something we look forward to - after a long, fruitful life here first.
posted by
sannhet
on September 21, 2005 at 8:48 AM
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Sannhet, sorry, I disagree. Death is very real and the Bible even calls it
a "sting." It is an ending and a finale...but there is a blessed hope in Christ, the resurrection, and one day "death will be swallowed up in victory." Until then, it is not something we pretend doesn't exist, and though the love and memories continue, the physical manifestation, relationship, interaction and conversations have ceased. My mom is gone and nothing anyone says can make that reality sweet.
posted by
Ariala
on September 20, 2005 at 4:25 PM
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I'm glad someone on here writes about these things.
One thing which has always baffled me is that in society there are support groups for pregnancy, cancer, alchoholics, gamblers and thousands of things but there aren't many structures set up where you can go and talk with one another about that one thing in life which is certain to come. It is so strange that something natural is the boggeyman, and I'm sure with a bit of compassion and tolerance for one another and our fears, death could have its dignity once more, even as Sogyal Rinpoche says; something we might even look forward to.
posted by
Jomei
on September 20, 2005 at 4:18 PM
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Appleworks -
I don't think that the Ego is all bad either. One needs Ego to survive in this world. But to reach the spiritual world, to reunite with "God", one needs to overcome Ego; make it subservient to, the divine within. Thanks for stopping by.
posted by
sannhet
on September 20, 2005 at 11:10 AM
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sannhet
,I am trying to understand many of these spiritual truths,or whatever you call them.but to me it seems if the ego is filtering how you percieve things then I cannot see eye to eye with these truths.Or I can say, I will only see this way if I lose the ego.But I dont see the ego as bad, .
but I am learning slowly,some has fallen into place.Thanks for the post
posted by
appleworks7
on September 20, 2005 at 11:02 AM
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Avant -
Yeah, it took me a while to figure that one out too. But it does change one's perspective quite a bit.
posted by
sannhet
on September 19, 2005 at 7:18 PM
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Aria -
Thanks! And thanks for stopping by.
posted by
sannhet
on September 19, 2005 at 7:17 PM
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sannhet
great post. i don't look at dying the way i used to. and grief is basically self-pity. i have grieved terribly over losses, but to see that it has nothing to do with them helps the hurt to heal.
posted by
avant-garde
on September 19, 2005 at 1:47 PM
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Sannhet- Great minds think alike. I like your sentimenst. I concur no one really dies it is the body not the spirit. True word
posted by
Aria4
on September 19, 2005 at 10:45 AM
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