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One of the most interesting statements on here is the one you picked up on CD. The other one is Bud saying he is a member of the "peace movement"......now that's about the lamest thing I have ever heard. Since there is no peace movement, perhaps he should refer to himself as a member of the "cowards movement"..To that his profile fits!
Our troops will bring us peace, not his crapola!!
posted by
Offy
on December 30, 2005 at 2:19 PM
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Corbin thank you for an excellent post
The world's liberals can not and will not see truth. They create truth as they go. When one believes 'to be tollorant of all is possible;' particularly while they are totally intolorant of fair, just, ture, real, and God, how can they know what is right and what is wrong? They don't even know what is right and what is left. We only see them opposing good. When what they last opposed becomes workable for them they then accept it and choose another thing to oppose.
God my prayer for 2006 is a revival in the Left Camp.... If you don't get a grip we will come over and pillage your goods if you have anything worth the hauling fees.
posted by
Justi
on December 29, 2005 at 3:07 PM
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It's nice for everyone here to see.......
what you think of our troops.......
"As soon as your war criminals come home....."
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on December 29, 2005 at 12:17 PM
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Down here we'd say...."You sure are ate up with yourself!"
But on topic...I find, after sifting through all the BS, that you state:
"Take a good look at the results of US foreign policies during the last century and you will see that the outcomes are generally very poor."
Really? So defeating Nazi and Japanese aggression in WW II, the establishment of a democracy in Japan, rebuilding Europe after the war, and causing the collapse of the Soviet Union in the Cold War was a poor job?
Pray tell, what shining example of foreign policy has the great country of Canada accomplishedduring that same period of time?
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on December 29, 2005 at 12:14 PM
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First let me appologize about declairing you on the dealership's side....
Almost as soon as I posted the comment I had lealized my mistake. It was my antipathy towards your politics that cottupted my ethics, pluss I don't know how delete the comment. I could have retracted it via another comment. But I believe that you do not poses nuclear weapons and being the brave/cowardly lefty that I am, I decided to turn tail and let you get all excited. Yes it is an example of how dastardly I can be, as others of the peace movement.
Now to give you my filthy view on what you have written today. By the way it is news when a cyber entity develops a new "Crime" "Non Consensual Cyber Promiscuity" "Fictional Rape" is another way of looking at it. I like many different subjects and you'll find that its hard for me to stay on "topic" many times. This is because when a peson with an advanced perspective looks at even simple propblems we find that the connections extend far beyond what is apparent at first.
Like this subject of which you write today.
You begin by clouding the issues again, lumping apples with oranges and saying its all good.
The first fact is, that the USA claimed that the reason they had to invade Iraq was WMD's. Regime change is not a viable reason for invasion according to international law.
The Iraqi people were not focussed on the creation of a democracy and still aren't. The US is actually forcing this on them so that you guys have an excuse to run with your tails between your legs but not quite in the panic of the route in Vietnam. Best to claim success with a little democracy smoke up the world's anal orifice.
When the people of a country were never looking for a democracy, but another nation (US) through sanctions and then direct attack devestates the economy and their way of life so that women and children die continuesly, so that there is no hope for a future, then they may agree to anything that might have the slightest chance to get the invaders out and stop the murders.
Such idiocy to float the lie now that it was for democracy that you invaded. As soon as your war criminals come home, that Nation will collapse into primitive chaos and the killing and hate and suffering will continue for generations, thanks to your search for WMD's, thanks to your regime change, thanks to your imposition of democracy.
Take a good look at the results of US foreign policies during the last century and you will see that the outcomes are generally very poor. That is because you are quick to use military force to exert your will and then you support corrupt governments that tow the US line and never care one wit about the average people. Look at Saudi Arabia (where Osama and all the 911 hijackers come from). All you cared about was proping up a friendly regime which brutalizes it's people. Where is the vaunted cry for democracy here)
One reason the UN is very agreeable to validate the the "elections" is to give you the out so that something driven by the Iraqi people can begin. As if democracy is of such value. The US is amonst the most represive nations in the world with its own people. The government illegally overrides their will and human rights of its people, and the laws of the land, routinely. The crime rates and dangers from corrupt laws that your people suffer don't speak well for democracy. What you actually installing in Iraq is a criminal organization similar to yours which will be friendly to you.
Only true idiots who have given reason a wide berth will gather under the Democracy banner. They are they same ones who gathered under the WMD banner.
posted by
Bud-Oracle
on December 29, 2005 at 10:25 AM
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But back to the point.....
Based on the finding of you Liberal's supreme authority....the UN. The election was a valid one. And no findings of any across the board skewing of the vote was found......The election day violence was low.....
All of this is contrary to the predictions coming form the left.......are you prepared to admit you were wrong on this one?
As to the demonstrations and fients...the posturing....all of this is a natural part of the political process..
Here in the US it took, what, 7years to even get a constitution put together... and this was with people that were united in a singular purpose......nothing close to the multi-purposed groups in Iraq. Yet you demand instantanious calm and order, and a safe democracy from a mulit cultural society that has never...again, never had any degree of freedom?
A person has to be totally ignorant of history and geopolitical pressures, its ebbs and flows, and evolution.....to not see the simple logical path that has to be allowed to occur.
Amazing, absolutely amazing.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on December 29, 2005 at 5:00 AM
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fwmystic
For the 999,999 time....the damnedbanner was about bringing down the regime....That Mission was accomplished!
Only fools would believe that it meant we could pack up and come home....and only political opportunists knowing that would still rant on otherwise.....
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on December 29, 2005 at 4:50 AM
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I understand how long the tribes have been in that country.
But, if we are going to view them as tribesmen and not people desiring democracy, then the issues are much bigger. I believe these people were quite aware of the need for changes, and I see the vote as their way of communicating their desire for a new and better Iraq.
posted by
ms_bradrock
on December 29, 2005 at 1:17 AM
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Ms. Bradrock - Nobody knew??????
That's a new one. I guess I just dreamed about seeing the King with a Mission Accomplished banner in the background. Why didn't "they" know? Iraq is not a country, this is not a rebirth. Iraq was drawn by the British. The tribes in the "country" have been there since the beginning of time. Someone forgot to tell them they're "rebirthing" their nation.
posted by
fwmystic
on December 29, 2005 at 12:58 AM
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Fymystic,
I don't think anyone knew how long it would actually take to see "them" defeated. It is going to take some time to get things on track in Iraq. People need to have a little patience and some faith in the U.S. and its allies. We are witnessing the rebirth of a nation here.
posted by
ms_bradrock
on December 29, 2005 at 12:46 AM
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What was the point of your post?
The fact that the Sunnis are protesting the vote is a big deal and spells trouble for the election, regardless of what the UN says. The Sunnis are tacitly supporting the insurgents, those pesky "deadenders" and "Saddamists" that you neocompoops that would be defeateded long before now.
If the Sunnis fail to participate in the new government, then civil war is inevitable with Americans in the crossfire.
posted by
fwmystic
on December 29, 2005 at 12:10 AM
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CD, It's over. Start picking your GOP ticket.
posted by
kingmi
on December 28, 2005 at 7:27 PM
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Corbin
...anyone with half a brain, liberal or conservative, wants some sort of success in Iraq. Its not difficult to acknowledge the successes while also seeing the things that arn't quite so successful.....The Iraqi people are just folks like you and me who want peace and freedom, unfortunately they arn't in charge any more than you or I are in our country. I pray that you are right I really do. I have no desire to see my President's efforts in the Middle East fail...anyone who would feel that way doesn't know their own connection to the whole of humanity....the belle tolls for all of us.
posted by
MysticGmekeepr
on December 28, 2005 at 2:23 PM
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Glennb
People are protesting in the US everyday..........if anything the protest prove that democracy is in the works....could they have done so under the previous regime? No way. Can anyone protest in other Arab countries? No. How about the Persians...Can anyone protest against the government in Iran? No. The protests you speak of are perfect example that it is working.......But you don't want it to work. You want it to fail...so it might bring down the current administration..........
You're like stuck in a loop....saying the same things over and over again.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on December 28, 2005 at 2:08 PM
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Corbin Dallas,
Ok let us start with the latter! Again it seems everybody knows what is good for Iraqis but the Iraqis themselves! They protest and the United Nations comes in to report that you should just shut and take the destruction of your dignity like the American Negro did! Do you hear him complaining about the lack of representation in America? As long as the use of deadly force is routine, you better keep your head down (Coon)!
posted by
Glennb
on December 28, 2005 at 11:37 AM
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Credit
Liberals will not give credit where it is due, unless it is to them!
posted by
Dr_JPT
on December 28, 2005 at 11:04 AM
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CORBIN
You know it's the latter....Only in America will they never give the credit to the people who made this thing happen....Now in Iraq, they gave credit the day they voted, and coming from 80 million voters, I would say it is a tribute to the fact that something is really going right!!!
posted by
Offy
on December 28, 2005 at 9:46 AM
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