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Wow...
Hmmmmm.... veddy veddy interesting. I will say this: I thought that the comment function here WAS to make comments based on the info given. Silly me.
And as for pain: who are you to say if anyone's pain is real or unreal? And if it's faked, who cares? Compassion in the face of real or imagined pain is no less of a good deed either way. I don't care if someone carries around their pain for the rest of their life. That's their burden. What I do care about is being compassionate- because I can control my own response, not anybody's behaviour. And it seemed to me- reading that post- that there was not a lot of compassion being exercised on Otto's part. On the other hand, I wasn't there. Yet the whole point of this blogging thing is to discuss... like we're doing right now.
As for infidelity and serial monogamy: as I've said, I don't care if you practise polyamoury with me, I just want honesty. It's lies I don't like. You dig?
Perhaps I touched a nerve, eh, Ritchie? Sorry.
posted by
Lili
on August 29, 2003 at 11:40 PM
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In response to "Why should you..."
In response to "Why should you go into the middle?"
Because maybe you are an adventurous person who
likes to try completely new and unusual things.
"And forgive me for saying so, but this Otto guys seems like a real jerk."
How could you really know that after a couple of
posts about him? Isn't that jumping to a conclusion
on the basis of very little information? Of course,
it could also be just the way you are. Perhaps you
are the sort of person who projects your own feelings
onto someone like him. Perhaps you have had your own
guru experience--and it didn't turn out too good.
"Maybe it's just that I have this thing about gurus,"
Perhaps you do. Why not wait and learn a bit more
about him and the situation...
"maybe it's because of the fact that he never seems to 'strip himself emotionally'"
How could you know all that from no more than the few
words Cynthia has written about him?
"as he seems to want others to... and a slapstick routine just after someone has finished a painful piece of art"
How about if that pain is completely unreal--all a
function of things inside that persons mind that hold
them firmly in the grip of that pain? How about if,
a moment later, that pained person turns around and has
a good laugh at another person's pain? Which could be
no more real.
"seems to be bad taste,"
Probably--if you think all pain should be taken seriously,
as heavy and deadly and not something to make fun of. And
it appears that Otmar was not able to bring his pain to a
point where he had some distance from it and a sense of
humor about it.
"not to mention just the weensiest bit cruel."
Sure, if you regard all pain as real, deadly, serious,
and worth hanging onto for the rest of your life so you
get sympathy from everyone around you.
"But hey, what do I know..."
Possibly not much about throwing off heavy, serious,
deadly feelings and transforming them into humor and
energy that can be expended in other, newer directions.
"am I wrong?"
I wouldn't say wrong. How about saying that you are
limited in your ability and experience as regards how
to look at things in your life--which is not to say that
you are stuck with that limited repertoire.
posted by
ritchie
on August 26, 2003 at 7:07 PM
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This is so interesting for me
to hear your comments because your reaction is very similar to many peoples reactions not only to my writing about this place and my experience there, but is similar to some peoples reactions who only spent one afternoon on Friedrichshof. I have found that most people project themselves out into the world and don't really experience anything new, life is just a series of reactions based upon their preconcieved notions of what is "right" or "correct" behavior. Also, most people are very judgemental, in relationships too, so they may throw away an entire relationship, based on one experience, or act that disappoints them (infidelity for example). So a persons whole life, worth, and experience is summed up by a single moment or act. This is a tradgedy and the reason why most people practice serial monogamy.
posted by
Cynthia
on August 26, 2003 at 6:11 PM
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Why should you...
...go into the middle? And forgive me for saying so, but this Otto guys seems like a real jerk. Maybe it's just that I have this thing about gurus, maybe it's because of the fact that he never seems to 'strip himself emotionally' as he seems to want others to... and a slapstick routine just after someone has finished a painful piece of art seems to be bad taste, not to mention just the weensiest bit cruel. But hey, what do I know... am I wrong?
posted by
Lili
on August 26, 2003 at 3:23 PM
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