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sorry Nautikos, this is going to be a long one
I am curious as to who is this Abdul Kasem you quoted in your post. His list of possible co-authors of the Koran is interesting :
Imru' Al qais was a pre-Islamic poet, he was the first to have a Mo'olaqqah, one of the seven masterpieces of Arabic (Pre-Islamic) poetry that were supposedly hung on the Qa'aba in Mecca. His poetry revolved around four main themes: wine, women, hunting and his failed attempts to avenge the death of his father and regain the throne of his kingdom Kinda. He died 25 years before Mohammad was born.
Bahira was a monk, Muhammad met him as boy in Basra, Syria. why would a Christian man of God author a "divine" book i cannot understand.
Salman was Persian, and the Koran was written in language that was beyond the understanding of most Arabs of the time.
Even Hassan b Thabet is an unlikely candidate becuase even though he was a poet his poems are not of the caliber of the pre-Islamic gems.
One final point: Poetry was the dominant art form of the Arab society, most Arabs were poets, but mohammad was not although he enjoyed it and had a deep appreciation of it. To anyone with a solid command of Arabic, what we know is that Muhammad's sayings is well-phrased but not remarkable in any way, the Koran, however pushed the envelope in terms of language for a culture where (albalagha) eloquence was revered.
posted by
lindo
on May 19, 2007 at 8:43 AM
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Re: Nautikos, I started reading "The Bible and the Koran" series to Max
thanks for the praise, muser. I haven't really thought of getting any of this published, at least not seriously, mainly because it would require a lot of additional work, and I ain't quite ready for that...
posted by
Nautikos
on May 16, 2007 at 4:03 PM
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Nautikos, I started reading "The Bible and the Koran" series to Max
Yesterday. We are both so impressed with these articles. Have you submitted any of your writing for publication? I am beginning to think you are a professional writer, or maybe a college professor...I see in your writing that you give 100% of yourself in whatever you to do! I hope you will be here a long time...
I am really glad to see that you and Corbin have "met".
posted by
muser
on May 16, 2007 at 8:00 AM
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MandaLee
Thanks for the rose!
posted by
Nautikos
on May 14, 2007 at 6:59 AM
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droolah
you have chosen a more suitable font...
posted by
Nautikos
on May 14, 2007 at 6:58 AM
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Foliage
I guess she got through it okay...
posted by
Nautikos
on May 14, 2007 at 6:56 AM
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Corbin
Im sure frustration and resentment played a role. So did a need to 'buy' his followers' loyalty with gold, especially that taken from Jews...
posted by
Nautikos
on May 14, 2007 at 6:55 AM
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posted by
Amanda__
on May 14, 2007 at 5:57 AM
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so iam here again friends i just finish my work guess what iam doing because my time from gold so i print your writing and your comments and on the way i'm reading so not any one with you guys
so mr neut and mr carbon you are searching for truth and now you are proving that this so far from the scent of the truth so all of you are invited to my blog i know that you will not comment but i know that so many will visit now i will discus on my blog scientific proofs so are you able to negotiate me you and carbon i'm just surprise how you get that conclusion you are poor man my friend because the truth will defeat you so my post will be addressed to you +some other things keep it as surprise ..this mean that mohammed was a very big scholar and very wise man today i will write about mother then wait your answer thanks for my muse ..happy mother's day
posted by
drohan254
on May 13, 2007 at 9:04 AM
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Naut
I told you something weird was up with Offy. lol
posted by
FoliageGold
on May 13, 2007 at 8:48 AM
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Re: Well, well, and here's ole droolah again...
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on May 13, 2007 at 8:46 AM
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Naut....
Perhaps the banditry grew from frustration and resentment??? He had a real hard time getting his melding of Judeo and Christian writings to catch on.........
At first, Muhammad was only successful with friends and family. After thirteen years, “the street preacher” could boast only about 70 determined followers, called Muslims.
Relations with the Meccans turned particularly sour after an episode known as "the Satanic Verses," in which Muhammad agreed to recognize the local gods in addition to Allah. This delighted the Meccans, who generously extended their welcome. But Muhammad soon changed his mind after seeing his own people begin to lose faith in him. He claimed that Satan had spoken through him, and he rescinded recognition of the Meccan gods.
The locals intensified their mockery of Muslims and made life difficult for them. Although Muslims today often use the word "persecution" to describe this ordeal (justifiably, in some cases), it is important to note that no Meccan ever killed a Muslim during this period.
He turned to forcing his religion on people........and it was much more "profit"-able to raid others possessions...it helped fund his movement.......kind of an early version of our TV evangelists
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on May 13, 2007 at 8:45 AM
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Well, well, and here's ole droolah again...
Hey, didn't I see you at the camel competition?
posted by
Nautikos
on May 13, 2007 at 4:22 AM
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Justi
What's with the tears? The lessons can't be that hard!
posted by
Nautikos
on May 13, 2007 at 4:18 AM
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Wiley
Looks like you're in a party mood. Dark Jamaican rum? Of course! I'll pick up a bottle at Elsie's just for you!
posted by
Nautikos
on May 13, 2007 at 4:17 AM
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Enigmatic
Looks like I had a head start...
posted by
Nautikos
on May 13, 2007 at 4:09 AM
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hi mr neautikus missing you i just read one paragraph about mohammed is the auther of koran may be you meant other things but because i'm sharp in my understanding so i will not care for other things till i will read later then i will comment so mohammed is an author later i will answer your i don't know what to say about it ..now i'm stealing the time so coming may be today or tomorrow thanks
posted by
drohan254
on May 13, 2007 at 3:19 AM
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Nautiboy
I suppose you have all this sordid stuff sorted and poured out for our undertaking. I don't pretend to know anything. I only had my Hebrew and Torah lessons yesterday.
posted by
Justi
on May 13, 2007 at 2:21 AM
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Nautikosa
Like the new spelling of your name? Well that's 'cuz ya told Foliage Gold you were havin' scotch on wine. 'Scotch on wine will make ya whine' .lol So you are Nauti, but would ya please switch to dark Jamaican rum, jus for me mon, pass a couple a bottles through yur kidneys as ya chant, Wiley, Wiley, Wiley.
Oh ya know's I can't drink mon, but did Foliage tell ya she made me smoke with her?lol Therapy it was and I wouldn't kill over a smoke ya understand,lol Oh yeah, read the blog, you write good, but I won't debate religions anymore. I'll read though, and watch your spelling. lol
posted by
WileyJohn
on May 13, 2007 at 12:11 AM
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Nautikos
About to have my 1st g & t of the "evening" - it's 12:55 a.m. - haven't read your post yet, just wanted to share that important piece of info. with you (that I'm having my 1st g & t...)
posted by
Enigmatic68
on May 12, 2007 at 10:59 PM
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Foliage
He is probably reciting to her now ..."drink to me only with thine eyes..."
posted by
Nautikos
on May 12, 2007 at 8:16 PM
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TAPS
Indeed! But neither in your case nor in mine was the banditry sanctioned by God...
posted by
Nautikos
on May 12, 2007 at 8:13 PM
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Nautikos
I hate to butt in on the private conversation of Nautikos and FoliageGold, but I don't know how else to comment on this. Now that I think of it, I really can't think of anything to say except that there were bandits in the heritage of us all, me thinks.
posted by
TAPS.
on May 12, 2007 at 8:09 PM
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Naut
lol! You're a darlin' man. Learned to drink bourbon in Florida. Long story, but it's all good. You think Offy's drinkin' Baileys now?
posted by
FoliageGold
on May 12, 2007 at 8:05 PM
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Mary
Ah do have some fine Jack Daniels, if you'd rather...
posted by
Nautikos
on May 12, 2007 at 8:00 PM
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Naut
Ah, h*ll. Lord have mercy, I'm teachable. I'm a Southern Bourbon Girl, what can I tell you?
posted by
FoliageGold
on May 12, 2007 at 7:58 PM
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Mary
well, if you insist, darlin, except that you'll find the complex flavor emerges more fully if it ain't too cold, and the tiny splash of water enhances it as well...
posted by
Nautikos
on May 12, 2007 at 7:53 PM
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Naut
Awwwwwwwwwwww, no splash needed; just lots of ice for this girl.
posted by
FoliageGold
on May 12, 2007 at 7:48 PM
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Mary
I'm back with a glass of Dalwhinnie for you, 18 yrs old, no ice, just a splash of water...
posted by
Nautikos
on May 12, 2007 at 7:37 PM
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Naut
You share your single malt with me? Neat?
posted by
FoliageGold
on May 12, 2007 at 7:01 PM
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Mary
I'm gonna get myself another scotch, and maybe you should have one too, that will improve the vibes...
posted by
Nautikos
on May 12, 2007 at 6:58 PM
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Naut
'Cause we's strong womens and haven't met him yet. Honestly, I'm having weird vibes tonight.............
posted by
FoliageGold
on May 12, 2007 at 6:50 PM
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Mary
How come she needs a CARE package if he's supposed to take CARE of her?
posted by
Nautikos
on May 12, 2007 at 6:48 PM
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Naut
Hmmmmm, okay, I can do that. Only thing is, the vibes I'm getting are weird...... Us blonde's have foil radar you know. How 'bout we send HER a care package of strawberries and dark chocolate?
posted by
FoliageGold
on May 12, 2007 at 6:44 PM
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Mary
well, are you good at sending vibes? Send her some to make her put a bunch into her purse to take home and share with us!
posted by
Nautikos
on May 12, 2007 at 6:40 PM
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Naut
You think she'll share with us? You think her ears are burning?
posted by
FoliageGold
on May 12, 2007 at 6:32 PM
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Mary
chocolate-covered strawberries...
posted by
Nautikos
on May 12, 2007 at 6:31 PM
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Naut
well, actually there's a story there I'll tell one day........... You think she's having strawberries, too?
posted by
FoliageGold
on May 12, 2007 at 6:25 PM
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Mary
OMG, you illiterate? But I do remember reading there was an occasion when Churchill didn't know a particular word, although I forget which one, I mean I wasn't there exactly, lol...
Yep, and our Offy is probably into her chocolate dessert by now...
posted by
Nautikos
on May 12, 2007 at 6:20 PM
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Naut
lol, you think me illiterate young man? Oh dear, where is my Offy when I need her? She off eating chocolate you think?
posted by
FoliageGold
on May 12, 2007 at 6:13 PM
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Mary
no dear, as in scatology, otherwise known as the science of ancient coprolites, also known as s**t!
posted by
Nautikos
on May 12, 2007 at 6:09 PM
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Naut
Scat? Wasn't he someone who really lived somewhere? THe adventures of scatman or somethin?
posted by
FoliageGold
on May 12, 2007 at 6:03 PM
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Mary
I see we're ending up in the scatological area again...
posted by
Nautikos
on May 12, 2007 at 5:59 PM
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Naut
Yes, and he better well d*mned well leave daisies in the bowl and put the seat down!
posted by
FoliageGold
on May 12, 2007 at 5:56 PM
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Mary
must be out on a heavy date - hope he treats her well, or he'll have
me to deal with...
posted by
Nautikos
on May 12, 2007 at 5:53 PM
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Naut
Just missing her, darlin', just missing her.............
posted by
FoliageGold
on May 12, 2007 at 5:49 PM
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Foliage
Well, that's
your mind, my dear, I am not responsible for the way your mind works...
posted by
Nautikos
on May 12, 2007 at 5:43 PM
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Naut
I did read about the camels and Offy came to mind.........
posted by
FoliageGold
on May 12, 2007 at 5:40 PM
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Foliage
Good evening, my dear! I see you and Wiley had a great time! This thing was written this afternoon, I couldn't do it now, too much vino for supper, and there's some scotch in my glass as well...Tonight you can always read about the camels...
posted by
Nautikos
on May 12, 2007 at 5:33 PM
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Naut
Goodness.......I'm going to have to come back to this tomorrow when I've a clearer head. This is very complex writing. I'll read your other blog. Is it lighter for a Saturday evening? I'm smiling........
posted by
FoliageGold
on May 12, 2007 at 4:46 PM
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