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Hi Mneme!
posted by
Antonionioni
on September 21, 2007 at 9:37 AM
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antonionioni
don't despair - even the bard had to get started somewhere, and had to write what the punters would sponsor.
posted by
mneme
on September 21, 2007 at 6:16 AM
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Thanks Blacksnow - good thinking, that man - I agree, you know!
posted by
Antonionioni
on September 18, 2007 at 3:10 PM
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Gr8 topic Tony! Make revolutions for ourselves:Shaw&Wilde&Austen&Pound did
by self-publishing. Sometimes u break through their ceilings; sometimes after we die. I still believe we write for ourselves--joy, fulfilment, relaising all our closeted spaces --and that is well worth it. You have to write FIRST for yourself; and enjoy it. Otherwise the audience -- now or then-- will not catch the fire, the enthused light of what moved us to write. Paz, AntonioninioninionoNoYes!
posted by
ILLUMINATI8
on September 18, 2007 at 2:37 PM
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The singer in a group called Fine Young Cannibals - back in the 80s!
posted by
Antonionioni
on September 18, 2007 at 2:02 PM
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Re: Thanks both of you for those great comments.
nope. who's roland gift?
posted by
FineYoungSinger
on September 18, 2007 at 12:13 PM
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Many thanks, Alohatwo.
posted by
Antonionioni
on September 17, 2007 at 1:58 PM
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Sonnet
Moon does rhyme with june and spoon and loon and soon, so what its great.
i have never read anything about writing in my whole life cos if i did i would surely stop what i need to express. so put down that paper and just let go. what you write is you coming through, its perfect as it is.
posted by
alohatwo
on September 17, 2007 at 10:39 AM
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Thanks everyone, and well done Dave - correct answer.
posted by
Antonionioni
on September 17, 2007 at 9:15 AM
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Aha, Writers' News and Writing Magazine!
Balls to the lot of them. Let's jump on our own hosses.
on way in a minute.
posted by
_dave_says_ack_
on September 17, 2007 at 6:16 AM
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posted by
teddypoet_TheGoodByeFade
on September 17, 2007 at 6:12 AM
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Fortunately we all have a choice one of which is not to believe evrerything
we read in the papers! Nice job
posted by
mariaki
on September 17, 2007 at 6:11 AM
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You go Tony! :)
Fuck those stuffy pricks
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posted by
Discombobulated78
on September 17, 2007 at 6:08 AM
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Cheers me dears!
posted by
Antonionioni
on September 17, 2007 at 12:29 AM
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Antonthebrilliant, don't you dare change and who wants to write for
some of the rubbishy mags. around anyway.........ME IF THEY PAY.Lol
posted by
Kabu
on September 16, 2007 at 10:46 PM
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I agree with richinstore !
posted by
afzal50
on September 16, 2007 at 9:11 PM
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antonio
very true. More often than not, we write what readers want to read and not write what we want readers to read. It happens all the time in the media... how sad!
posted by
richinstore
on September 16, 2007 at 5:58 PM
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Thanks everyone!!
Here's another example of why going with an established publisher is not all it's cracked up to be: you'd also have to market it how they insist, as well as edit it to their satisfaction. With self-publishing, you can market it how you want - even not at all if you choose! Most self-publishing companies do include some marketing anyway. And tastes have gone a bit astray - it's therefore up to writers to do something about it - no-one else will.
posted by
Antonionioni
on September 16, 2007 at 3:35 PM
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aww
mainstreams suck anyway!Your words are awesome tony, don't let them swallow you!!
posted by
pelagus
on September 16, 2007 at 2:47 PM
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Hi Tony! Great---I'm so pleased to see that it's not just me being
either 'finicky'-or 'too judgemental' towards these mags!! They treat the readers like a bunch of kids-and ones who no absolutely nothing! Well written! Chris.
posted by
Scramble
on September 16, 2007 at 1:43 PM
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Re: Many thanks you three.
Printing and publishing is a risky field now. There is too much technology that reduces the need for printing. Fewer people read now and their tastes have gone awry!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on September 16, 2007 at 12:50 PM
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Antonionioni, Ive given up trying to understand what people look for. it's
soooooooo subjective and based on stupid trends,not honest writing. I remember years ago when sexual abuse of kids was the trendy thing an editor told a writer to add a sexual abuse incident and its fallout to sell the book. When the writer protested that that was irrelevant to subject matter and didnt fall within his experience then the editor basically said,'not interested.' So a big part of the time it's not about talented writing. Its about falling into line,not bucking the trends. Its like in the movies,actors often compromise their no nude scenes rule just to get work. They basically prostitue themselves to get somewhere. Writers of integrity dont do this. Your poetry is so good and I could see even schoolkids fascinated by the freshness,by the quirky comments on life as it is. Kids would identify more easily with subject matter and your style of writing than say the Bard with his thees and thous. ...One day....
posted by
proc
on September 16, 2007 at 12:07 PM
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Many thanks you three.
Dave, good advice - I will be approaching some more publishers shortly and then if nothing happens I could try self-publishing. Publishers cannot predict what will be successful so they ten to play safe. Understandable - perhaps we should try going into publishing to see what it is like!
posted by
Antonionioni
on September 16, 2007 at 11:44 AM
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Antonionionio
If it comes to choosing whether to write for myself or for someone else, I always write for myself. But, that's probably not what a writer should do if he/she wants to be published. LOL
posted by
TAPS.
on September 16, 2007 at 11:18 AM
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Antonio.......
FYS likes your name. When I look at the end of the name, all I see is 'onions'. lol. Really good writing is not mechanically done. It flows from within. A good editor will help you clean it up and make it presentable, without changing the essence. Maybe you need to get an editor rather than change your style. Or, read something on HOW TO EDIT! Publishers keep a tight rein on what the public reads. Try alternative or underground publishers. Do a google search! Many books I have read are by the smaller, less well-known publishers. In the beginning I submitted to the mainstream publishers. No-one accepted. My material is better now that I have grown a little. I will submit but to smaller publishers! Best wishes!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on September 16, 2007 at 11:15 AM
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Hey TONY........happy sunday.
posted by
star4sky5
on September 16, 2007 at 10:11 AM
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Thanks both of you for those great comments.
FYS - Are you Roland Gift?
posted by
Antonionioni
on September 16, 2007 at 9:44 AM
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Antonionioni:
First off, I love typing your name. onionionionionioinionioni....too fun! ha but I digress.
One thing I notice about your work is that you use the frame of a sonnet but keep your work so conversational. It's very difficult to do. Folks are really finicky about the kind of poetry they like to read; when they are in a position on a publication it can be very disheartening to a poet that is trying to catch a break. Keep writing, you have a great style. I know because I am finicky. Keep submitting your work.
posted by
FineYoungSinger
on September 16, 2007 at 8:47 AM
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Tony
I try to take those "writing tips" with a grain of salt. I've been told "read the classics, develop more structure, etc., etc." but I stick with what comes from my heart, my thoughts, and my beliefs. Maybe it's not
consumer friendly but I figure there must be some people out there who will appreciate it.
posted by
Troosha
on September 16, 2007 at 8:29 AM
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