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Hi girl

I'm back. And you? Good post by the way!

posted by Brian76 on November 6, 2007 at 2:49 PM | link to this | reply

Re: zena

Hi, Richinstore, good morning, at least it's morning here! Thank you

posted by Zena77 on November 5, 2007 at 7:51 AM | link to this | reply

zena

posted by richinstore on November 5, 2007 at 7:49 AM | link to this | reply

Shams-i-heartsong, Hello and thank you!

posted by Zena77 on November 5, 2007 at 7:45 AM | link to this | reply

Welly, yes, if it looks like the lunatics are running it.

posted by Zena77 on November 5, 2007 at 7:45 AM | link to this | reply

I'm pretty sure King Oedipus is right, Brian

I would sign, but it seems to have disappeared.

posted by Zena77 on November 5, 2007 at 7:44 AM | link to this | reply

very nice ! Thank you

posted by Shams-i-Heartsong on November 5, 2007 at 5:19 AM | link to this | reply

Zena

asylum looks good at the moment .....

posted by White_Elephant on November 5, 2007 at 4:46 AM | link to this | reply

Please read and sing my statement on Town Square if you agree!

posted by Brian76 on November 5, 2007 at 1:51 AM | link to this | reply

I like Greeks

King Oidipus my favourit (I hope they call it like that in English. I know only the Hungaryan title.)

posted by Brian76 on November 5, 2007 at 12:07 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Re: Re: the elizabethans were like that too - also, going back to the greeks, don't

I'm taking notes, Chris. I'll look for Bacchae. The synopsis I read of Orestes was based on Euripides. You're right, it's never the same as reading the whole thing. Now you've got me thinking about Elektra and her whole complex, lol. Interesting where these conversations go, you can never predict them, can you?

posted by Zena77 on November 4, 2007 at 8:02 PM | link to this | reply

hmmmm

very wonderful.... have a good night....

posted by whiteknight3128 on November 4, 2007 at 7:38 PM | link to this | reply

Thank you, Afzal,

posted by Zena77 on November 4, 2007 at 6:31 PM | link to this | reply

posted by afzal50 on November 4, 2007 at 6:14 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Excellent!

Hi Nautiko, Thank you!

posted by Zena77 on November 4, 2007 at 5:09 PM | link to this | reply

Excellent!

posted by Nautikos on November 4, 2007 at 4:54 PM | link to this | reply

Nope, I think if they've been around 2,000 years,they''re not going

anywhere now. Night night.

posted by Zena77 on November 4, 2007 at 4:11 PM | link to this | reply

yes i understand - they won't go away - niteynite

posted by chrisja on November 4, 2007 at 4:08 PM | link to this | reply

I will, Chris, thanks for pointing those out, but this whole .Dave thiing

is affecting my writing and focus on longer pieces. On the one hand, I'm getting short things out fast, and I was inspired by that whole exchange that we had writing the Maelstrom, and the info you gave me about The Birds and Horus, but I'll be honest with you, until this whole Dave thing is resolved, I won't be reading anything that heavy.

posted by Zena77 on November 4, 2007 at 4:04 PM | link to this | reply

oh yeah - my interest in things ancient greekie is not becos of my

extensive classical education (i must confess) - it's a personal thing connected to being half greek and feeling internally drawn to that heritage

posted by chrisja on November 4, 2007 at 3:59 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Re: the elizabethans were like that too - also, going back to the greeks, don't

you MUST MUST MUST read the original greek plays, but try to choose your translations carefully, don't get anything that has these words in it 'doth', 'hast', 'thou', or 'hark' - YUK YUK YUK - there are 3 playwrights who covered the electra/orestes story - Aeschylus, Sophocles, and Euripides - they're all good, but my favourite is Sophocles, his language and structure to me is like water - ALSO it is imperative to read the Bacchae by Euripides (it's got nothing to do with the other story) just because it's an incredibly amazing and timeless narrative about consciousness and gender shifting, and it's f*****g scary - (of course i'm only suggesting this becos you seem to have only relied on synopses in anthologies, it's nowhere near the same - you'll see)

posted by chrisja on November 4, 2007 at 3:55 PM | link to this | reply

It's sad and it's sweet, and i knew it complete, when I wore a younger man'

clothes. Oh...Mr. Bojangles. LOL, today seems to be the day for me to go off on silly lyrics. Thanks, Justanotherskinnybitch.

posted by Zena77 on November 4, 2007 at 3:33 PM | link to this | reply

So sweet and sad..........

posted by justanotherskinnybitch on November 4, 2007 at 3:32 PM | link to this | reply

Oh wait, I didn't look in comments, let me check it out.

I am following your comments, and I'm sure Jack is too, whereever he is. Circling around somewhere, in a holding pattern, probably.

posted by Zena77 on November 4, 2007 at 3:30 PM | link to this | reply

I've also commented on KaHae's site.

As I say, why not give them till the end of the month and then quit the site? If they think we're going to forget what happened, they're having a laugh. It seems you can't see the pix I posted in the comments section. Shame. If you still can't ee em, let me know and I'll sens them in an email or post them tomorrow or something. Night!

posted by Antonionioni on November 4, 2007 at 3:26 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Re: it's moved from the claustrophic and anxious paranioa of

well you did ask (if you check) - and i did finish with a beautiful poetic compliment - 'you are mapping the winds'

posted by chrisja on November 4, 2007 at 3:25 PM | link to this | reply

I saw

I can't thank you enough. Night.

posted by Zena77 on November 4, 2007 at 3:20 PM | link to this | reply

Hi Zena - I've just commented on Pat B's site.

Take a look at the pics on my site too and let me know what you think! Gotta go to bed soon!

posted by Antonionioni on November 4, 2007 at 3:15 PM | link to this | reply

Re: the elizabethans were like that too - also, going back to the greeks, don't

Wow, you English really have the advvantage over most Americans, including me, of an impressive Classical education. I've read a few anthologies of mythology, kind of dabble, but I have hardly read any of the Greek dramas to be honest.

Thanks for reminding me I did forget Electra. She was the instigator of her brother's actions, demanding that he avenge his father's death.

Women are powerful and indpendent, under any system, some just have to find different outlets for it.

posted by Zena77 on November 4, 2007 at 3:13 PM | link to this | reply

Re: it's moved from the claustrophic and anxious paranioa of

Oops, I just saw this, Chris, no analysis is good. Logic keeps the emotions from taking control, gives them direction and allows you to figure out what you're doing and why.

Synthesis of the right-brained intuition with left-brained analysis, is a whole brain

posted by Zena77 on November 4, 2007 at 3:09 PM | link to this | reply

the elizabethans were like that too - also, going back to the greeks, don't

forget Electra, Orestes' sister, she was really the prime mover - Orestes just buggered off and grew up in a neighbouring country, while she had to face her the threat on a daily basis - i've always admired that in a heavily patriarchal situation like ancient greece was, that they could create such powerfully independent and destiny changing women

posted by chrisja on November 4, 2007 at 3:09 PM | link to this | reply

Chris, I think that's because there are universal themes being adddressed

end incorporated. That's what I love about the Greeks, they were dark, bloody, and wild, but they addressed the real gamut of numan nature, they didn't shy away from the darkness in humanity, but gave it a means of being redeemed and brought back into the light.

I love the Oresteia, Orestes wrestles with divided loyalties between mother and father, kills his mother to avenge her killing of his father, but the pain of it drives him insane, pursued by the harpies, he only comes back to sanity and wholeness and peace, through the cathartic process of a trial, justice obtained for him by Athena, she drives away the furies.

It's not puppydogs, roses and sunshine, but neither is life. Sometimes we all need a little redemptiion.

posted by Zena77 on November 4, 2007 at 3:01 PM | link to this | reply

Antonion, Nice, Acktually

posted by Zena77 on November 4, 2007 at 2:57 PM | link to this | reply

they're political and generic - if you know what i mean

posted by chrisja on November 4, 2007 at 2:53 PM | link to this | reply

Hi Zena - I'm bACK. Caw!

posted by Antonionioni on November 4, 2007 at 2:52 PM | link to this | reply

i love it that they are being born from the 'current(s)' but exist as

independent works that still speak outside the situation that's producing them

posted by chrisja on November 4, 2007 at 2:52 PM | link to this | reply

it's moved from the claustrophic and anxious paranioa of

the previous poem to a mood that doesn't remove the threat but, through the 'shifting winds' and 'overview' analogies, brings in distance, choice and a re-attaining of some control - oops, i'm getting very analytical - your poems are mapping the winds