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My three year old is remarkably smart! Too smart...way too smart...lol...neat post!

posted by Sincerity_Anna on November 7, 2007 at 7:45 AM | link to this | reply

Naut...
It almost sounds as if they're disappointed.......

posted by Corbin_Dallas on November 7, 2007 at 4:27 AM | link to this | reply

Re:
I try not to, BrightIrish...

posted by Nautikos on November 6, 2007 at 3:56 PM | link to this | reply

TAPS
I think the research these people did was interesting, but their conclusions leave something to be desired. I ain't gonna go into it here, but for one thing the result does definitely not say anything about the 'general intelligence hypothesis', and you can quote me on that...

posted by Nautikos on November 6, 2007 at 3:55 PM | link to this | reply

Krisles
You're right, of course! Take a look at what I said to Pat...

posted by Nautikos on November 6, 2007 at 3:49 PM | link to this | reply

riri
Thanks!

posted by Nautikos on November 6, 2007 at 3:47 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Of course the two year olds who are monkeying their folks

Pat, I forget who it was, possibly Siggi Freud himself, who said 'If a child had the power, it would swallow the world.' Our culture has adorned children with this image of cutesy-wootsy innocence, and of course their self-centredness is totally innocent, but at least some of us know that in reality they're little savages...

And it is a hypothesis of mine that many of the problems we have with today's teenagers is at least in part the result of parents' refusal to let go of that image in good time, and indulge their little savages way beyond their shelf-life...

posted by Nautikos on November 6, 2007 at 3:47 PM | link to this | reply

Re: I definitely agree with what you say in the concluding paragraph of this
Thanks, afzal!

posted by Nautikos on November 6, 2007 at 3:36 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Good morning Naut...
Good evening, Offy hon, we had a slightly different experience, didn't we?

posted by Nautikos on November 6, 2007 at 3:36 PM | link to this | reply

Justi
Thanks. Yep, a bit of 'real life' experience missing there...

posted by Nautikos on November 6, 2007 at 3:34 PM | link to this | reply

rich
You're welcome!

posted by Nautikos on November 6, 2007 at 3:33 PM | link to this | reply

Re: I have a feeling my kitten Bamboo would flunk all tests at this point. Last
Ariala, better Bamboo than a 2-year-old...

posted by Nautikos on November 6, 2007 at 3:32 PM | link to this | reply

Hi .. This was a interesting read and I noted that in the last paragraph you didn't monkey around with the truth. PostSmile!

posted by BrightIrish on November 6, 2007 at 1:45 PM | link to this | reply

Nautikos
I definitely remember that--what you said in the last paragraph.   No, I don't really remember when I was two, but I sure do remember my sons two's--four different times.

posted by TAPS. on November 6, 2007 at 12:06 PM | link to this | reply

Nautikos
Very interesting stuff......from observing my 2yo gr-dtr, I'd say obviously their subjects weren't going after morsels in tubes held by siblings....or there would have been biting, scratching and pummeling galore! (I find myself telling them to quit acting like a bunch of monkeys quite frequently.....hmmmmm) 

posted by Krisles on November 6, 2007 at 10:42 AM | link to this | reply

posted by riri0322 on November 6, 2007 at 8:20 AM | link to this | reply

Of course the two year olds who are monkeying their folks
have the advantage over lab animals and their handlers. The parents have love, hopes and dreams invested in their offspring. Plus, we operate under the umbrella of a complicated mythology that includes the notion that little kids are helpless, innocent and malleable. In fact, unless there's some disfunction, they're skilled manipulators, selfish and aggressive from the git-go and quite capable of gaining our attention and cooperation by using those baby blues, darling smiles and cute antics to endear themselves.  I wouldn't have it any other way.  

posted by Pat_B on November 6, 2007 at 7:02 AM | link to this | reply

I definitely agree with what you say in the concluding paragraph of this
post !

posted by afzal50 on November 6, 2007 at 7:02 AM | link to this | reply

Good morning Naut...
I especially love that last sentence...Very interesting information my dear Naut..

posted by Offy on November 6, 2007 at 6:40 AM | link to this | reply

Nautikos
I could have saved the study supporters a lot of money. A child finds a way to get anything it wants. When stopped you can bet he chose several avenues before he gave up. You are right they were childless, certainly not grandparents. Good post.

posted by Justi on November 6, 2007 at 6:39 AM | link to this | reply

nautikos
this is interesting. Thanks for sharing

posted by richinstore on November 6, 2007 at 6:36 AM | link to this | reply

I have a feeling my kitten Bamboo would flunk all tests at this point. Last
night he ran across my face in the middle of the night!

posted by Ariala on November 6, 2007 at 6:12 AM | link to this | reply