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LOL King...nothing is going to make the Dems happy. They love being unhappy, angry and unproductive. They want an ideal world pre 9/11 that never existed except in Bill Clinton's head...Nothing would make them happy....absolutely NOTHING...
posted by
Offy
on November 19, 2007 at 2:28 PM
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All Rudy is going to do is be the ass he is, kingmi. As for the Iraq
situation, Petraeus has done a great job. By the way, he was doing a great job when the war first began, then he was pulled for a while back to the States, then placed in charge when someone in the Bush administration (it may have been Rumsfeld -- who knows?) saw promise in his counterinsurgency ideas. The problem in Iraq has always been its government (or lack thereof) and its defense of itself (or lack thereof, mostlly due to the asinine machinations of Bush crony L. Paul Bremer, f**king idiot extraordinaire, who disbanded the police and military). I won't belabor the points of conservative versus liberal here. Petraeus' plan is working, to an extent. Still, it's just the military. That worthless government over there has got to begin standing on its own. And you're right. Many liberals are looking and hoping for regime change; that's why they change tacks if things go right for conservatives. No different from conservatives spinning everything that went wrong instead of owning up to it. But, as of now, things seemed to have settled down somewhat in Iraq. How long this will las no one knows (maybe decades, maybe another week), but it looks positive. What needs to be done is put pressure on those bureaucratic morons running Iraq to step up so we can extricate ourselves from what has been a political and diplomatic mess (domestically and internationally), while we have a chance to save face. Occupying Iraq too much longer will only fuel a more organized and stronger insurgency that will make its presence known later. That crap about Sunnis turning on al Qaeda (there was never a large contingent of al Qaeda in Iraq to begin with) is just Bush administration b.s. We've bought Sunni acquiescence (and, yes, some have turned on and turned in al Qaeda operatives -- so they say) for the time being. They won't stay bought. And the Shiites aren't united either. The Kurds in the north are as independent as they've been for the last decade. There's still no unified, cooperative government. Let the conservative extremists and the extreme liberals fight over contingencies and what ifs and spins. We need a plan of extraction, and I don't care which party pulls our troops out of there. Petraeus' plan would have worked with or without the extra troops sent to Iraq; the 'surge' was and is simply hype. Of course, they wouldn't have needed any of this and this liberal/conservative argument would be moot if Bush/Rumsfeld/Bremer et. al. had listened to generals like Zinni and Petraeus to begin with. Or simply stayed the hell out of Iraq. Idiots crowing over putting a bandaid over an infected gash is what this amounts to. Despite the talk shows, you don't hear a lot of cheering and celebration from the White House about the current state of affairs in Iraq. Playing it close to the vest apparently. Or has Bush lost all of his pom-pom shakers? Either way, right now it's good news out of Iraq. Hopefully, it'll remain so. I hope so. And if liberal extremists can't find something positive in that, then screw 'em.
posted by
saul_relative
on November 19, 2007 at 9:08 AM
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posted by
star4sky5
on November 18, 2007 at 5:18 PM
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