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RSM -- let's make some comparisons.
It's not guns that kill people; it's people that kill people. You seem to be a person who agrees with that statement. I understand that what it means is it's not the tool or the item, it's how it's used, for good (hunting or self-defense), or for evil (killing another person).
The same is true with automobiles. Most people go along without accidents or killing others; but there are those who drive too fast or under the influence of something.
Alcohol -- odd how you lump that in to liberals et al. Many folks right in your neighborhood enjoy the pleasures of such beverages. People far more conservative than you are, I would suppose. Gun rights advocates. Heck, some even make their own hooch. Again, it's how it's used. It is an enjoyment. However, there are those who over imbibe and impart harm.
So we come to marijuana. It's not the weed, it's the user. Like alcohol, it can be enjoyed. Also like alcohol, it can be abused.
And sex -- maybe you forget how great the sex drive is. Maybe a little purchased sex could keep some people from being sexual perverts. If it does good, then it cannot be sin. Again, as I mentioned, freer attitudes toward sex very well could help diminish sexual perversions.
If it does good, then it cannot be evil. But if it does harm . . .
posted by
Xeno-x
on April 16, 2008 at 1:11 PM
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RSM, you really have no idea what you are talking about
You are 100% as wrong as it gets.The changes in laws that I am advocating here would NOT bring more problems, would NOT bring any heartache and would not shatter any lives compared to what is being caused by the laws we have in place right now, laws which do all of that already. This is proven by looking at where the laws are as I am proposing here.
If anything by getting rid of the drinking age, we will cut down on drunk driving, because there will be LESS alcoholics out there. It ahs nothing to do with issue about authority, and everything to do with looking at what has been PROVEN to make a difference.
MORE people are more likely to be harmed because pot and prostitution are illegal. More kids drink just to get drunk because we have a drinking age. Kids are more likely to get STDs and young girls are more likely to get pregnant due to not having a opener attitude about sex. This is all PROVEN by example. All one needs to do is actually look at history and look at present examples of this around the world too see undeniable proof of this.
It amazes me at the ignorance you are clearly showing on this. Just the fact hat you bring up a standard example of a stupid drunk driver, who most likely was an adult who was not doing any illegal by drinking to try and pretend it has some relevance to the actual ideas I am talking only helps to show that you are grasping at straws and that your stance is very weak.
My morals say that I want to do what is best for all and will make the world better for as many people as possible. My morals say that my own personal beliefs are NOT as important as doing what is best for society. That is why I think we need to make these changes. I can already drink legally since I am over 21, although before I turned 21 I was getting drunk fairly regularly. Since I turned 21 I have gotten drunk only a handful of times, one of those times was my sister's wedding when I didn't mean to and the other I can think of was my bachelor party and maybe one of two times outside of those. The reason I did it when I was young was because I was not suppose to, because it was illegal for me to do such. I have no desire at all to smoke pot again. I was into for a little bit, mostly for the same reason I got drunk, but it really was not something I cared for. The thing is I have looked at the all the evidence presented to me and I see clearly that there would be a benefit to legalizing it and there is no rational reason as to why it is illegal. Being more open about sex has will make teens more responsible for their bodies and less likely to do foolish things like have unprotected sex. I have had a very open attitude towards sex my whole life and I have had less sexual partners than my friends who were raised religiously as well as having safer sex than them, and I include my wife in that category(Her mother's side of the family thinks a lot like you do and it messed her up as a child. In fact she has said how lucky it is that she found a guy like me and not some guy like yourself). Her lack of knowledge about her own body and sex in general when we first met, when she was 21, should be considered criminal in this day and age. Legalized prostitution stops the spread of STDs, stops drug use to force women to become prostitutes, empowers women to have control over their won bodies and helps to create jobs and taxes which benefit everyone in the end. I have a great sex life with my wife and doubt I would ever have need (Nor could I really afford) a prostitute. But since in areas where it has been legalized, it has proven to work just fine and be very beneficial to all involved.
I have yet to see you even come close to using anything similar to logic, reasoning or facts against my ideas here. You attack my character instead of actually providing any thing of value here.
if you wish to prove me wrong, then go find some FACTS that do such. Don't childishly attack my character or try to use weak examples that have nothing to do with the real issues at hand.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 14, 2008 at 7:37 PM
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Re: RSM it seems you haven't experienced the real world
No Xeno, I have experienced the real world plenty. As a matter of fact, I could probably drink you under the table. You and your son believe that you have everyhting and everyone in this world figured out an pigeoned holed into a slot. Trust me, you don't. Being a Christian does not necessarily equal someone who has never experienced the world nor someone who has never 'enjoyed' sex nor someone who has never gotten drunk in their lifetime. I am a Christian and a sinner. I have done things in my life that I am not proud of just like everyone but I know what is moral and what is not. The changes in laws that you and your son advocate would bring more problems, heartache and shattered lives than this nation has ever seen. This is not Norway or Sweden and I do not care how they do things in those nations.
Just last night a child in our town was playing in his yard when a drunk driver ran off the road into the yard and struck the child. The child now has a broken leg, brain damage and is hanging onto life by a respirator. How many times in the history of this world has that happened? Many.
Yet we have people like yourself and your son who champion the worthless liberal ideas of free sex, free drugs and alcohol. How stupid and sad is that? Your hatred of authority knows no bounds. Both of you speak of morals but morals goes much further than being a good person or being good to others. I pray that none of your family members are ever harmed by the causes of alcohol or drugs.
posted by
RedStatesMan
on April 14, 2008 at 6:57 PM
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polygamy
All the Old Testament figures were polygamous. Jacob, especially. David and Solomon, after the Ten Commandments.
posted by
Xeno-x
on April 12, 2008 at 12:41 PM
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RSM it seems you haven't experienced the real world
Let's start with drinking. My high school senior year, a man from the (Women's Christian Temperance Union (WCTU) spoke at my English Class. He, a person advocating abstinence from alcohol (and that brings to mind a joke one of my high school English teachers told: "There was this woman from the WCTU speaking to these guys in this Harbor Light house. She had two glasses. One had water in it and one had good old Kentucky straight bourbon whisky. Then she had a worm in a pan of dirt. She took the worm and dropped it in the water and it wriggled happily. She took it out of the water and dropped it into the whiskey. It flopped a few times and then died. She asked, "What does this prove?" A guy in the front row piped up, "It jusht goesh to show ya -- if ya drink whishkey, ya won't have wormsh."
Anyway back to the WCTU guy -- he defined a potential alcoholic as a person who drinks one drink a day. He then stated that Italians and Jews have the highest percentage of potential alcoholics, but the lowest number of actual alcoholics.
Also, in European countries, where children drink alcohol, we find a lesser degree of alcoholism. It would seem that freer use of alcohol leads to less alcoholism. The mystery is gone. The stigma also.
I would think this would also pertain to sex and marijuana.
I really do believe that the sexual repression brought about by present religious perceptions does lead to a lot of sexual predation, other such sexual problems. A freer attitude toward sex and our children won't be so in the dark regarding sex, or have to learn of it from the "peer underground", which isn't the way to learn of it. Sex wouldn't be a bad thing, but what it is, a means of procreation, but also very enjoyable and without guilt attached.
And marijuana: what happens is that MJ is demonized by certain people. It's presented as an evil drug, as bad as cocaine and heroin and such. When a young person tries weed and discovers that it is not all that bad, then they ask if the perception of others drugs might be as invalid, and they decide to try the harder drugs.
When, in fact, marijuana is not, according to reports, all that bad. It does not have so many deleterious effects, and is not all that habit forming. People try it all the time and are able to stop.
What we need are healthy attitudes, not repression.
posted by
Xeno-x
on April 12, 2008 at 12:38 PM
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RSM, are you wanting to be taken seriously?
No I am not listening to Janis Joplin. My wife like her, but I am really not much of a fan.
Although my guess is the question you want me to answer is the one about polygamy. I personally have no problem with the idea of polygamy. What we saw in Texas however was wrong.The group was not in the wrong to when it came to allowing polygamy, after all that is a forced moral idea. It was in the wrong by forcing people to live a life style they did not wish to live. So they are wrong in the same way you are wrong, because they like you wish to force people to live by their beliefs, denying people of certain freedoms because they believe they know better.
As always you show that you are as clueless as it gets when you try to talk about anything at all.
Legalizing pot and prostitution is NOT going to make people dependant one drugs and sex. All one needs to do is look at where those things have been legalized to see straight out proof of this. All of your claims here are 100% wrong. I have no desire at all to ever smoke pot again. It was not for me. I have no desire to go out and spend money on a prostitute. If I ever wished to cheat on my wife, I would hope I could find way to get some for free. But you don't care at all about logic and facts in this. All you care about is trying to push your beliefs on other people because you have to be right about everything and I guess you know it all. I more concerned with doing what will help this country get its act together to create a stronger economy, a way to get our police force actually fighting the real crimes that are truly harmful to others and get our children to be able to make better choices. Basically I care about freedom, liberty and creating a better future. If you could actually show me how your religious beliefs being forced on me and the rest of the country could actually do this, then you might have something. But since all the facts, logic and reasoning out there says other wise, I am gonna have to keep with my views here.
And I don't hate God. God is fictitious character and I don't hate fictitious characters. It is the religious morons, like yourself, who I have real problems with. God has nothing to do with those like you who are so sad that they believe they have every right to push their belief on others in order to justify their beliefs as being valid.
Your thoughts are not backed up by history. History actually would show us that my ideas displayed here are the right track for growth and freedom. I have in the post explained the ways of it all and have backed up my reasoning. If you wish to prove me wrong, you need to try and show how my reasoning was incorrect. You've done no such thing. If anything you have shown yourself to be truly ignorant of the facts in everything here.
As for enlightenment, I am very enlighten to reality. As for God blessing my family. You might as well as that Fred Flintstone stop by for dinner tonight. Generally asking functional characters to do something for you is not going to achieve anything. Luckily, my family is doing great with out a blessing form you fictional character.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 12, 2008 at 10:41 AM
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Re: Re: RSM, your ignorance shines so brightly
You also did not answer my questions. Go back and look at my questions that you decided not to answer. Do not dodge! Okay?
posted by
RedStatesMan
on April 11, 2008 at 9:36 PM
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Re: RSM, your ignorance shines so brightly
I truly do not understand why you feel that all of humanity should "follow your advice". It is amazing how deep your hatred against anything of an authoritative nature is whether it be God or politics. You claim that legalizing prostitution, pot, "teaching sex correctly", kill the drinking age and not having one group's morals rule. Your desires seem to mirror someone of the age of 16 who may have not had the blessing of a caring parent. Your desires are juvenile at best. The problems that would certainly come forth from your desires are numerous.
You claim that my ideas bring down the nation and is holding us back. Holding us back from what? Smoking pot, prostitution and no drinking age is somehow progress? Dependency on drugs and sex is not what I call progress, my child! Since you claim that you do not wish to eliminate morals then what kind of morals do you wish to establish in your liberal hippie nation? Thy must smoke pot as much as possible, thy must have sex as much as possible and thy must drink whenever you feel like it? Now to the real problem that you are blogging about here; not only in this post but every one that you create.
You hate God. This post and the desires that you have listed clearly goes against anything that the Bible teaches us and that God would want for his children. I can not imagine any adult desiring to have drugs, alcohol and sex treated as something like drinking water. You try to disguise this as 'true freedom'. The only thing I can say is that I am so pleased that my Dad fought as a Marine in WWII, and every other military person in history, so that you can express your desires in print and in voice each and every day.
However, you are childish in your desires for our nation's path. Your true hatred of God and authority knows no bounds. My thoughts do not need any 'backup'. They are backed up by thousands of years of history. Yours is not. Your childishness and inexperience shines so brightly, however, I will pray for your enlightenment. May God bless you and your family!
posted by
RedStatesMan
on April 11, 2008 at 9:12 PM
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RSM, your ignorance shines so brightly
Let see, I never said 'Encourage sex' just educated and teach it correctly and not try to hide it or pretend it is something evil.
I never said 'Don't worry about bad thing'. I said don't be afraid and don't let the possibility that bad things happen dominate your life.
And I never said eliminate morals. I said we should not have one groups morals forced on us. After all this is suppose to be a free country and yet one group has gone and decided to try and tell the rest of us how we are suppose to live our lives by what they have decided is right and wrong, even if they have no real logic to back them up.
I love how you seem to think that the idea of real freedom is somehow bad. You paint me as a hippie here when outside of my long hair there is basically nothing that would put me in that category. I am just someone who sees things for how they really are. I want to see growth in our country and these are some of the basic things that need to happen to help that growth.
You are the kind of person who I really don't think will ever get it, mostly because you don't want to see any growth and you seem to want to do all you can to keep us from reaching our full potential. And of course I find it perfect that you seem to not have anything to say that actually proves me wrong here. I mean how childish is it to use that load of B.S. about 'If you don't like the way the country is being run, then get out.' I mean can you really get any more childish or anti-American than that?
Now first off, the whole rest of the world is NOT 'dying' to get in here. They are many countries that are doing just fine and are not having their people trying to get over here. Funny thing is that those are countries who seem to have already taken my advice here and are prospering greatly. Denmark, Sweden and Norway are some great examples of this.
As or your question of ultimate ignorance, I shall answer it since it is real easy to answer. I am still here because this is my home and it is suppose to be a free country, which should mean that if people want true freedom and they wish to achieve the greatest amount of prosperity possible fro this country, that they will actually follow my advice here.
Now I know how much you hate freedom and free speech and doing what is right and best for all people and so on. It is just sad that you really wish o promote ideas that have been proven to NOT work and are only actively right now holding us back as a country or bringing us down as a whole.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 11, 2008 at 9:24 AM
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The Sixties Are Alive And Well!
Let me get this straight:
1) Loosen up and encourage sex.
2) Legalize pot.
3) Legalize prostitution.
4) Eliminate the drinking age.
5) Don't worry about bad things be happy.
6) Eliminate morals.
Hey, like, wow, man, I can dig it! That is far out. Out of sight dude! Bet you are listening to Janis Joplin right now aren't you?
So with this stated in a previous post then you must agree that the Texas authorities were wrong in raiding a polygamist sect who were under the false disguise of a religion. Correct? Afterall, they were just minding their own business and having 'free love'. Right? You also must then agree that there must be something wrong with all of the other people outside this nation because all of them are dying to get into the United States, for some reason.
Seriously, I hate to ask the old question but I will, why do you remain here?
posted by
RedStatesMan
on April 10, 2008 at 7:32 PM
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I agree w/ everything you've written here. Even with the problems I've had w/ my under 21 kids and booze, I still feel it is within their constitutional rights to be legally able to drink at the age of 18. I'm speaking from experience when I say this. Kids are going to drink whether it's legal or not, same w/ smoking pot. It's not about age, it's about education and open communication and TRUST between the child and parent. That's what makes a difference.
posted by
ZenMom
on April 10, 2008 at 5:22 PM
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