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RSM you are the king of hypocrites you know
I have to go and actually look stuff up, while you can say 'I don't have time for this crap' as your proof. But since I am the better man, I will provide actual proof to defend what I claim. Read the article found here.
I have never said this nation was not founded on Christian principles, it was just not founded as a Christian nation. Big difference there. No where in the Bible does it define marriage. NO WHERE. We can then follow that up by the simple fact that up until the middle of the 1800s there were actually no real laws about marriage. Polygamy was actually 100% legal up until then and is still very much what the Bible itself seems to promote. There was nothing at all in the founding ideas of this country about marriage. If anything the founding ideas of this country would allow for each state to figure out what they consider to be legal marriage, and that it should not be up to the Federal governesses to make such distinction.
And of course now you are spreading the anti-Muslim hate speech that seems to be very popular with conservative fundamentalists now days. That only helps to show that you are way off track now and only want to display your ignorance very openly.
I don't believe that any religious group should be able to push their beliefs the way the many Christians in America are trying to do and the way some Muslims groups in the Middle East do. Neither one is a good thing. This post was not about saying that we should let the Muslims take over. I was pointing out the misinformation out there about Obama being Muslim or having any Muslims ties. When Obama becomes president, he is not going to make any move to force Islam on us, nor would he succeed if he tired. After all the Republicans have been doing all they can to force Christianity on us all, and they have kept failing at that thinks to groups that support true freedom such as the ACLU.
I've made no attacks against the principles this country was founded on. If anything I speak out very much for the freedom that we are suppose to have, that those like you wish to take away in pushing your religious ideas on everyone and causing great harm to our society. You seem to be very confuse about what this country was founded on.
I've made no contradiction in anything I have said here. You are just very confused. That becomes clearer with every post or comment you write.
As for you strange little rant into the idea of Jihad, I am unclear as to what that has to do with anything. Holy Wars are actually much older than that. Sorry, but the Muslims did not invent the concept of Holy Wars. God in fact is a man of war after all
'Exodus 15:3 - The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name.'
Just read the Bible and you see war after war that was more or less demanded by God.
Christians have had their share of holy wars as well and it would be easy to use your own logic here to show that the Christians really are not better than the Muslims. Of course there are Christians who seem to be promoting the idea of genocide against the Muslims right now. That tells me a lot.
In fact before this last century, before the 'Western World' got involved, the Muslims were a very peaceful group and got along great with the Jews. Their present aggression in really very recent and in some ways understandable, considering all that has been done to them since WWII. Please note I used ''understandable' and not 'justifiable'. What they are doing is not justified,but looking at what they have gone through it is understandable.
And you would never once try to defend my rights to freedom. Don't try to lie to me about that. Until your rights are at risk, you would let everyone else be burned at the stake. You have already made it clear that the only freedom you really care about is your own. But of course that event is never going to happen.since that was the whole point of my post. There is nothing to fear, even if Obama really was Muslim, because there are enough people who really want this country to be free. Right now they are standing up against the Christians who oppose religious freedom and if it is needed, they would stand up to any Muslim group that tried the same thing.
Why do you hate the idea of actually trying to work things out non-violently? You are degrading Obama for wanting to do this, which is the best course of action for all. We will never end the problems by fighting, only make them worse.
posted by
kooka_lives
on June 7, 2008 at 2:57 PM
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Re: RSM, you really are ranting like an idiot again
The first Jihad or Holy War was in the year of 622, long before your birth. Muslim's were enroute to Medina and decided to sustain their way of life by raiding Meccan caravans. This action, led by Muhammed, eventually became Jihad as they chose to interject their religious beliefs on their victims. As the Meccans were attacked, the attacks became less as a result to Meccans accepting Islam as their religion.
So as you can see this so-called religion does not take to kindly to people who are NON-BELIEVERS! I do not believe I have heard of any Christians raiding your house and forcing you to convert. It is this fact that leads me to declare that Islam is not a religion but merely a bunch of thugs using their own chosen belief to cause harm to others. In other words, it is worthless and nothing but crime and hatred. If this was to ever come to our nation, I would be the first to stand in front of your house to defend your right to be an atheist. However, you would probably welcome them in to talk about the issue such as your hero Obama desires to. Meanwhile they would laugh at your desire to 'talk'. Get rid of the foolish weak liberal mindset and defend your American rights!
posted by
RedStatesMan
on June 7, 2008 at 1:27 PM
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Re: RSM, you really are ranting like an idiot again
First, I want a specific speech by Bush with a date and time as well when he declared a holy war. Second terrorist and radical Islam has referred to this as Jihad or Holy War since before Bush was in office. That is a fact.
As much as you have written over the years trying to say that this nation was not found on Christian principles, you are still wrong to this day. Defining marriage is also a cornerstone of our our principles whether you like it or not. These facts have been a prat of our nation's priniciples long before God ever created you.
Do you even have the slightest idea of how it would be to live in a society that is dictated by radical Islam? What part of that did you miss? I have never nor do I wish to live in a Islamic society ruled by radicals. You think Christianity is being pushed on you? How do you think radical Islam would decide on atheism? I believe if you were (God forbid) ever under the rule of radical Islam your fate would not be a positive one. You certainly would be allowed to even declare yourself an atheist. Yet you despise America and what the foundation it was built on. You attack every principle this nation stands for. You really should wise up and stop the contradictory liberal anti-God BS propaganda. You have no idea of how bad things can be, no idea at all.
posted by
RedStatesMan
on June 7, 2008 at 1:11 PM
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RSM, you really are ranting like an idiot again
Let's try to address you little mindless rant. Seriously though do you ever once think before you write here?
Obviously you missed a bit part of the point behind my opening paragraph. You can find all the same manner of 'facts' saying McCain has terrorist ties as there is that can back up the claims of Obama's 'terrorist ties'. Basically both are propaganda. I never claimed that McCain had any real terrorist ties, just that if you try to find the information on it you will find propaganda that says he does. You can see some of it here.
Or is this about my comment about Bush's ties to terrorists, which is fairly common knowledge and only someone who wishes to show great ignorance would try to say he had none.
What do I present here that you wish to question as if it is fact or not. giving actual examples would help a lot to me in understanding your confusing.
Next, how did Bush try to push Christianity on me? You really seem to show the greatest level of ignorance when it comes to such a thing. You've tried this before and you failed then. One does not need to come to my house to force their religious ideas on me. Hell, we are right now in a war with Iraq that Bush has said was a 'Hoy War' which means he is forcing his religious beliefs on every single person in America. Outside of that, and despite his claims, he has very often shown and made the comments that he wishes to make laws based on his religious beliefs and that all Judges should believe in God. Just the idea of supporting an amendment to the Constitution defining marriage is nothing more than showing a desire to force religious beliefs on everyone
Now of course I find it as hypocritical as it gets for you of all people to challenge me on 'finding facts' Your regular attacks on my character and challenges to my integrity never have any facts at all to back them up, and when I present facts to show you that you are wrong, you act childish and say 'I don't have time for this'. Once you grow up and start to accept that fact that not everyone believes as you do or are willing to fall for the same load of conservative BS propaganda as you embrace, then maybe you can start have grown up exchanges with people.
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kooka_lives
on June 7, 2008 at 11:48 AM
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What Facts?
Again, you do not support anything with facts. You say 'if someone would do research they will find' but yet you did not research. Where are the facts? You simply state that your beliefs are fact and truth when they are not. What kind of facts do you have that Bush forced Christianity on you? Did he come to your house, knock on the door and force it on you? You must do better than this to prove your point. State what the facts are to support your claims. What are they or is it that we must allaccept what you say is fact. There is a huge difference.
posted by
RedStatesMan
on June 6, 2008 at 11:29 PM
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Re: Re: Presidency/Muslim state
The left is at war with anything they believe is the power. To them Christianity is an oppressor and a manipulator. Christianity is against many of their opinions, beliefs and lifestyles so naturally they will be against it.
The Universities in this country to me are just leftist glue factories (listen to the teachers) and so naturally they will pick on Christianity. The left seems to control everything where opinion is concerned (except talk radio). Just look at TV/Hollywood and the general entertainment world. That is the best advice I can give you.
I hope you pursue more information on this I really look forward to reading your blog on this subject.
posted by
mordent
on June 4, 2008 at 11:15 PM
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Re: Presidency/Muslim state
"Much of the right is Christian and Christianity is open game for criticism but other religions are not. Heavy metal music, Marilyn Manson, femminists, homosexuals and many universities will attack Christianity but only right wing pundits will attack Islam."
I wish that I you would expand on these comments. This is something I had planned to write a blog about and would be interested in your thoughts on these topics.
posted by
RedStatesMan
on June 4, 2008 at 7:47 PM
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Presidency/Muslim state
Politicians are liars period. The nature of a politician is that of a liar and a power freak. By the time the left and the right are done giving you the so called truth/facts there is nothing left of it. In the end it is all a lie and a mirage.
Thus it boils down to whether you want to look through the eyes of the left or the right. Clinton lied about sex. He went and got milosevic, and went into Somalia (doesn't the latter two sound like Bush?). He backed out quickly and supposedly therefore invited Bin-Ladens comment "paper-tiger". So the right believes this invited more terrorisim and of course the left will deny it.
LBJ(D) escalated VietNam while Nixon(R) de-escalated but the left jumps on Nixon. Iran held our hostages through Jimmy Carters rescue attempt but released them when cowboy Ron took office. Did he do this to make the right look good?
Of course Bush knows thugs as all power people know each other. It's like a Columbian drug lord and the street dealer. One minute they're friends and the next they're enemies. The difference is the right will turn their stuff back on them but the left tends to become prey.
As far as behavior goes McCain has been silent while the leftist candidates slaughter each other. What does this mean?
So Obama couldn't turn the US into a Muslim state but that's not the point. Much of the right is Christian and Christianity is open game for criticism but other religions are not. Heavy metal music, Marilyn Manson, femminists, homosexuals and many universities will attack Christianity but only right wing pundits will attack Islam. This is the climate of the Western world at the moment.
In the end the President is all about image and nothing more. Obviously for the right his image/background is all wrong. His church, his/wifes comments, his name and his affiliates are not the image or idea of what the right thinks is a leader for the United States. Many don't even see him as an American. The left will blame racism but if Colin Powell were running many on the right would go for it.
posted by
mordent
on June 3, 2008 at 8:55 PM
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