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Janes
Most of the political issue become based on individual perspective.
McCain has already more or less said we will get four more years of the Bush way of doing things with him. He has no desire to make changes to policy right now, but feels that we are in good shape and will keep taking us down the path Bush has started us down. I've not heard him say differently. After all you talk about the spending issue, and McCain would keep us in Iraq as long as possible, (Not necessarily as long as needed, because if that were the case he would be talking about plans to get us out of there) and that is one of the major areas that has created our debt. And since McCain has openly showed he was for more such military operations, do you really think he is going to do anything to help get our debt down?
As for the pro-life stance, I still personally feel that is one of the most misunderstood areas in our present society. Bush was not able (Or unwilling to try) to get the laws changed and neither will McCain or Palin. For one thing they know that if abortions became illegal, they would lose a great chunk of their voters (The one issue group) to the other side and they can't risk that. Besides, to make abortions illegal would be like giving someone an aspirin to deal with cancer. You would only be taking care of a symptom and ignoring the real problem, which is conservative thinking dominating our ideas and education of sex. Once we deal with that and work on the actual problem, the symptom of abortions will start to vanish.
And don't get me started on the gay marriage issue. I've yet to see anything non-religious to defend your views on that.
as for the Nobama name, I still feel it is a childish action. I've never purposely altered McCain's name, because there is no real purpose to doing such. I keep seeing other's do that name game (Liberals included here) and it just seems idiotic to me. Seriously, what does it achieve? Why bother? It is not racist, just pointless.
As for 'Pelosi and gang' I've never said they were innocent. of course most of the problem congress ahs been having is clearly due to the Republicans doing all they can to keep congress form being productive. The Democrats have tried to keep their promise, but they do not have enough of a majority to get things done and the Republicans know this and are doing all they can to make things as bad as possible. It is a sad political game that is being played for power here and the country has been paying for it. And I do believe that the Democrats are playing the game as well as the Republicans, but right now the Republicans seem to be making it worse.
Also understand, while I have issue with the general conservative ideas and the Republicans, and I will very openly state my views about them, that should not turn into a personal issue with individuals such as yourself. So while in my posts I may be rather harsh and condescending about the group as a whole, on a personal level you have to be more respectful. In my dealings with you, I feel we have grown to a level where we can openly disagree in a very polite and civilized manner, while being rather harsh on the bigger, impersonal level. The trick is to not take posts such as this one personally. I do remember that we started off rather roughly here, but soon worked in a respectful dialogue which I really do hope we are able to maintain even as we criticize each other's political views in the bigger arena.
posted by
kooka_lives
on September 3, 2008 at 6:48 PM
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Go for it dude! You're right on track!
posted by
zoke
on September 1, 2008 at 8:50 PM
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Re: Janes
OK, Kooka, I can appreciate your perspective. I guess that's where we differ though. You think we're headed for 4 more years of Bush if McCain/Palin win. I don't see that. What I was referring to w/ Obama's 97% vote in the Senate is that, were he to win, I see more of the same that I DON'T LIKE about the Democrats should Obama win. I was just saying the argument goes both ways, although admittedly we've had a Republican administration so I do see your point. By the way, I do think that McCain is enough of an independent thinking trouble maker/maverick (as some Republicans see him) that it won't be 4 more years of Bush. I think the current admin has spent way too much, way too much deficit spending. I don't see McCain continuing that. As to similarities, I am grateful that Bush and McCain/Palin are pro life. I know that goes against your grain. And I will always support marriage between a man and a woman, albeit am open to civil unions so that won't change w/ a Mc/P admin. And regarding taxation -- I'm all for lower taxes and small gov, and I don't think that taxing windfall profits on big oil is going to solve everything like Obama says it will. They're not entitled to their 9-10% profits? And what do you think they're doing with their profits -- flagrant spending? How about drilling for more oil? We would weaken industry by taxing them even more.
By the way, go back and read your post. Your comments in response to me were much more positive than your actual post. In fact, you were most condescending and gracious!
And pray tell, what's wrong with the use of NoBama? It's merely a contraction -- me saying NO to Obama. Others seem to imply that it's racist. I don't see that. I'd love to have a black American for Pres. Colin Powell, Condi Rice. . . . But not Obama, OK? I don't trust him, I think he's spent way too much time with the likes of Rezco, Ayres (sp?) and his buddy Rev Wright. From all that I've read/heard about them, they're not the most savory of characters.
Keep in mind, for all your disgruntlement over Bush and Co, your demo pals have contributed to the mess. Pelosi and gang have certainly not delivered on most of their promises, and I observe they high tailed it to their vacation before doing anything about the energy crunch. If you're disgruntled, think about casting some blame over to the House and Senate. They deserve a share -- both Democrats and Republicans.
It's a messy world -- politics. By casting aspersions at one single group -- which you like to do with Bush and Republicans -- certainly not the most open minded way to be. And yes, you're right, I've done the same with Democrats and liberals.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on September 1, 2008 at 4:31 PM
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Janes
You very clearly don't know me at all. In truth I am a true optimist and always see the cup as half full, but at the same time I am a realist. I don't try to create illusions or live by such just to make me feel better. I see things as they are, I just generally believe (Even though we did get stuck with Bush for two terms) that things work out for the best in the end. I am not disgruntled or unhappy, just frustrated with how Bush and the Republicans have screwed us over and have created some real serious problems.
I do not disagree that Palin is intelligent and has energy and all of that, but she is also too new to all this and has not really shown that she can do anything. Now her 'ability to articulate true Republican ideals as well as her enthusiastic support for those ideals' is a reason to vote against her. since it is those ideas that are casein great harm to this country right now. We can't afford to keep going in that direction. But there are so many other who have that more than McCain does. McCain could have found someone with all those qualities, but not a woman and not as attractive, but with more experience where it counts, because she has ZERO experience in with foreign relations and she really has not proved herself since she has had only two years as governor and all that she has done so far is the kind of things that would have been done no matter what due to the previous administration's corruption. Seriously, there is a chance that all of what she has set in motion will fall apart and destroy Alaska's economy, but we really don't know yet. You can't judge a governor on the short term achievements.
Now I am surprised that you have decided to try and take us back to how we used to be. I thought we had grown and were at the level that we were not flinging character attacks at one another. It really does bother me that me speaking my mind has upset you so.
Nothing is said here as an attack. I am not at all jealous or anxious. Palin is not going to help McCain win this election, because we cannot afford to have him in office if we wish for this country to survive.
As for Obama's voting record, that seems rather silly to bring up. If he is voting against the Conservatives, then he is voting for change from the way things have been going. So Obama is 3% for Bush's way of thinking, while McCain is 90%... Yeah, how does that say that Obama is not going to make changes? How is that saying that McCain is not going to keep following Bush's path, at least 90% of that path?
Also please notice that I have never once made fun of either McCain or Plain by childish name play and such. I am trying to hold myself at a higher level than such games, since they serve no purpose. Calling Obama 'Nobama' really does not help your case at all and if anything it weakens your stance greatly.
Look back on my last two posts and see what I have been saying. I have not attacked Palin or put her down and tried to imply she was stupid or any of that. I have just stated my view that she is not as proven as we are suppose to believe she is and that the number one reason she was picked was because she is a female version of Obama in her charm and charisma, but a Conservative. So it become hypocrisy for such defense for her while attacking Obama for all those same reasons.
posted by
kooka_lives
on September 1, 2008 at 3:55 PM
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Kooka, your cup is so half empty it floors me. What a perpetually disgruntled, unhappy man you appear to be.
I think the primary reason McCain chose Palin was for her intelligence, energy, ability to articulate true Republican ideals as well as her enthusiastic support for the best of these ideals, and the fact that she will pull in many conservatives such as myself who have been somewhat luke-warm about McCain. Talk to a room full of conservatives and she has done exactly that. She has energized the party, and I think that makes you libs a little crazy. McCain was doomed if he chose someone who was more liberal. Like it or not, the conservative block can make or break a candidate. Whether he chose her to pull in Hillary supporters -- who cares! If they don't like her, it's probably because her supporters are jealous of her brains and beauty. How trivial. If they do like her -- more power to them!
And speaking of economy, policies and such. NoBama and cohorts always talk about how a McCain presidency would be another 4 years of Bush. He bases this accusation on McCain's voting records. Well hello! McCain has voted in step with Republicans what, 90% of the time? News flash -- NoBama has voted with his cohorts about 97% of the time. So much for all that hoopla about CHANGE!
I think you're just jealous, Kooka, and anxious that McCain had the smarts to choose an articulate, blunt, hard hitting intelligent woman who doesn't beat around the bush like NoBama "uhh, uhhh, uh, uh, uhhhh, I, uhhh" -- you get my drift -- and can speak her mind and stand firm on what she believes.
Yes, I know I'm rambling a wee bit, but the obnoxious, petty drivel liberals come up with is really getting old.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on September 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM
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VP
I wonder if the Republicans are turning this into a 3rd world country also.
Don't worry about the feminist vote. They're not going for a pretty woman with family values
posted by
mordent
on September 1, 2008 at 9:44 AM
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