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Christ, you know it aint easy...you know how hard it can be...
the way these comments are going...they're gonna crucify Jolly!
Melody -- On the bright side: you'll be in heaven too!
posted by
CunningLinguist
on October 5, 2008 at 3:07 PM
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What reward would you pick for a sacrifice such as that! sam
posted by
sam444
on September 28, 2008 at 5:13 PM
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Re: a lot of people have asked the same question as you.
Nowadays the crucifixion itself is used to make people feel guilty and submit to others authority. Exactly the opposite of its intended usefulness. I still think that the only way out for those who are trapped in this organized guilt trip is to come to a new understanding of the same event that is used to trap them. When the whole stories validity is simply denied, many people who are slaves to their tradition will simply ignore other possibilities that run contrary to their programming. I think one reason why it was said that it is only through Christ that one can get to the Father was to try and prevent people from following other people. Since Christ is not an alive man walking around amongst us, but an ideal that we can contemplate and take advise from via whats left of His teachings we don't have to follow other authority figures on the subject. The original followers of Yeshua was also specifically instructed to view each other as brothers/sisters and not to put one of them on a pedestal to follow as if such a one was Gods' only real representative. If Yeshua stayed alive and living amongst them this mechanism would not work since they would keep on looking up to the man, Yeshua, instead of the ideal He was trying to represent. Either way, this is just my take on this issue.
posted by
AardigeAfrikaner
on September 28, 2008 at 12:10 PM
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Nobody can die FOR the sins of others. Its all the Presbyters' (who wrote the Bible) conjurations. He 'died' BECAUSE of the sin others committed in attempting to slay him! Remember that he resurrected, and probably lived to a ripe old age somewhere in the Himalayas...according to one research school!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on September 28, 2008 at 10:03 AM
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jollyjeff - it is but one more inconsistency in the concept this story is
based upon.
If he was the son of God and was aware that he was the son of God, this so called sacrifice as you suggest, is rendered nearly insignificant. If on the other hand he was a man like any other, and accepted his fate premised upon his faith in a supreme God, the sacrifice itself is substantially more significant but this avenue renders the rest of the story as unworkable.
It may however explain why he hasn't been able to come back.
posted by
gomedome
on September 27, 2008 at 5:18 PM
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a lot of people have asked the same question as you.
If he knew he would be resurrected and go to Heaven, then the whipping, nailing to the tree, and death -- he could stand it -- after all, he was God, you know. The ordeal was nothing.
It's a kind of a tool, this thing about his death saving people -- comparing it to the lamb of sacrifice of Jewish tradition.
People of the time needed that.
It's time to move on. We only need to know that we are quite all right.
People make the laws that make other people guilty, then devise procedures for salvation whereby the other people depend upon the first people, thus come under their power.
Guilt is imposed by people, not God. It is realizing such that brings about our understanding that we are not condemned and never have been and never will be.
posted by
Xeno-x
on September 27, 2008 at 3:41 PM
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Study
You should do some more research on the subject if you want anybody to take your opinion seriously.
posted by
AardigeAfrikaner
on September 27, 2008 at 1:54 PM
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