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mordent, at least you admit it is your OPINION
YOU view the church as being racist, I don't. YOU view the church as being anti-American, I don't.  But of course your views reflect your political ideas, we while my views reflect mine. You are close-minded and believe that all people are one dimensional, I am opened minded and am able to see the potential in people. And you are right, it doesn't matter because you would find anything to use to blindly attack him with, ignore the whole of the truth surrounding it all. And even if you were right (Which you are very clearly not), Obama would still be a much better candidate for President than McCain.
 
Well then CNN is wrong.  Obama's birth certificate is out there for all to see.  it is official and it very clearly shows he is a citizen of the USA.  He has never once tried to hide it. That was a propaganda game by the conservatives.  As for his school records, I am still unsure as to what is going on with them or why it is such a big deal.
 
Here I am saying that CNN got it wrong and you are trying to tell me that I am saying that they are the 'good guys'?  They make mistake.  Fox on the other hand is one that I would never really trust because what I have seen from them is that they are unable to report honestly, but instead focus fully on showing how great everything conservative is and how evil all things liberal are.  All those 'liberal' news sources have shown themselves to be much more honest and more likely to show both sides than Fox.
 
And yes, I know that both sides produce propaganda and that there is a truth in the idea that you are going to be more likely to truth the information coming from your 'side' that the other side. The way I know the right facts is that I go beyond what is fed to me and look stuff up on my own.  Unlike so many conservatives here on Blogit, you will not find a single piece of propaganda reported by me as being fact, There was one article that was against McCain posted by a liberal here that felt wrong to me, I told the writer she needed to show integrity and double check her information.  Unlike the conservatives here, she did as I suggested and came back admitting that  what she had posted may be wrong but at the time it was indeterminate.  I am sure if it ever came back as being false she would retract the post and admit she was wrong to have posted it.  I have yet to find a conservative here with that level of integrity, even once I have shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that what they have posted about Obama was nothing but a batch of lies, they still try to defend it and refuse to admit they had made a mistake.

posted by kooka_lives on October 22, 2008 at 8:03 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Mordnet

I think that church is racist and anti-American based on pastor Wrights sermons and news conferences. It doesn't matter you would make excuses for him anyway.

Don't worry I'm all for good health also but it's CNN that said he wouldn't release birth certificates and school records.

THough Fox is obviously to the right how do you know the facts they give are wrong?

I listen to CNN and Fox because I want to hear different sources.

What makes CNN the good guys? You really seem to feel that if the left says it it's fact if the right says it it's propaganda.

Don't you think it's human nature to believe your own party's so-called facts? Who do you trust? How do you know who has the right facts?

I honestly would like to see the best candidate get the job but I will not make excuses for either one of them. If there's demons I want to know about them.

In truth I don't care for either one of them. The mess is so bad and I don't think the money's there to fix it.

posted by mordent on October 15, 2008 at 9:21 PM | link to this | reply

Mordnet
No, just because his father was a Muslim and he went to a Muslim school does not make him a Muslim.  He is not hiding anything here, he is just not a Muslim.  I don't care if he was, but since he is not it is nothing he is hiding.
 
So he only has one page of a medical record... I guess he is in good health.  My guess is that I would only have a page or two myself for a medical record.  Basically you are trying condemn him because he is in really good health and McCain's health is crappy.  So if you don't get sick and your body is running just fine you better not try to become president, you guys only want those who are really ill.
 
I don't know what records you are talking about outside of that then.  The only other records I have heard of where related to his time one the committee with Ayers and those he has no right to release.  So what records are we talking about and what is their significance?  Do you even know?
 
I call it like I see it and I really do not see Obama's church as what you wish to spin it as.  Saying 'God Damn America' is not actually anti-American, if one looks at the whole of what was said.  The one line out of context sounds bad, but the whole of the sermon actually was directed at the elements that have been and still are destroying  this country from the inside out and those should be damned.  Also, the church is far from being racist, since white people are more than welcomed there.  Comparing that church to a white supermist group is inaccurate and only shows the Republican's true colors.
 
Obama is not associating with Ayers.  They had a few associations in the past, but it was never a friendship or any form of strong relationship.
 
Who is Obama still associating with who is 'like this', (referring to Ayers I am guessing).  And the Acorn issue is rather silly.  You really cannot say that Obama has anything to do with their questionable actions.  That is just over playing his connection to it all. He does have ties with the group, but just about all politicians have ties to such groups and you cannot hold them responsible for the actions of those groups.  If Obama's campaign ever wanted to sink as low as McCain's people are right now, they have the dirt right there on McCain, who is far from being clean and free of any such ties.  Hell, McCain had a member of an active terrorist group working for his campaign at one point.
 
And if you get any of your 'news' for Fox, then I already know you are just spreading Propaganda,  I have yet to seem they ever deliver on the idea of 'fair and balanced reporting'.  There has never been a greater mindless conservative propaganda machine than Fox News.
 
The sentences alone, I could understand, but the way you placed them together made no sense at all in the confines of the English language.  It would be like saying "The boy felt good as his ran, the sea is very wet. Wasn't that a great day we all had."  Each one on its own makes sense, but to put them together in such a manner is gibberish.
 
And no, I am not what I condemn. mostly because I am not a hypocrite and do not try to have it both ways.  When my opposition has something of value to present, I listen to it.  The problem is they rarely seem to do that.  Most of the time they just spread propaganda, as you do.  It is not judgmental to call an apple and apple after all.
 
When I express my opinions, it is clear they are opinions.  If I says something is fact, it is always fact.  I have never and will never state something as being fact, unless I know it is fact.  If you can find for me where I have ever not done such, please point it out to me and if you are correct I will retract it and make it right.

posted by kooka_lives on October 15, 2008 at 8:43 AM | link to this | reply

Re: mordent, if you don't listen to propaganda,

A Muslim father and school but not a Muslim ever? Cmon man.

Does it matter if he's Muslim? If he keeps it to himself no. If he's got rotten links to people like farrakahn and has an agenda Yes.

CNN said McCain has turned over all his records but Obama only released one page of a medical record.

CNN has said Obama will not release records they did not say that he couldn't release  them. They implied personal records not affiliations.

Saying his church is not what it is is a total coppout from the commies. If McCain had been going to Aryan nations his own party would disown him. The left could care less. They excuse everything.

As for Ayers according to CNN he said "he should have blown up more buildings."

If Obama is still associating with someone like this and working with someone like this at Acorn or their community stuff I consider that pretty bad.

CNN is my only news source and Fox.

Forget those sentences if you can't understand them.

Just continue to say whats on your mind.

You're everything you condemn, is just what it says...

You're judgemental and bigoted against your opposition just as they are to you. 

Spitting out whatever nonsense comes to mind is in fact what most humans write. It's called and opinion or theory. As for fact, as i said, everyone seems to think they have the facts so what the hell does that really amount to?

How about mix some opinions with so-called facts and call it a blog.

posted by mordent on October 14, 2008 at 11:41 PM | link to this | reply

mordent, if you don't listen to propaganda,
then why is that all you are able to present here?

Here are a few of  what you have present that are nothing more than propaganda:
"Obama Must have been a Muslim at one time"
 
Obama was never a practicing Muslim.  There is nothing at all to back this up, anywhere.  he did at one time live in a Muslims country and go to a Muslims school, but he was never a Muslim.  Although I am still at a lose as to why that even matters in the least.
 
"Obama won't release any of his records."
 
 The records in question are NOT his to release.  The have personal inflation of many other people, and the company that has the rights to them are the ones not releasing them.
 
"Obama was going to a hate America/white/jew church."
 
That is opinion, pure and simple.  I've seen the stuff where this piece of misinformation comes from, and I can tell you that it is nothing more than a sad political slant of the right wing to back up your claim.
 
You have also over stated the connection between Obama and Ayers, as if there was something more between the two of them than basic associates.
 
No, you spread a lot of propaganda for someone who says he is only going of the actual news.
 
And it is not attacking to tell someone like yourself that they are full of it when they are full of it.  And since you are clearly full of it, then it is not attacking for me to point out in very clear terms that you are full of it.
 
If you want to debate, then stop using propaganda that has already been proven false too many time to count.  You keep dragging up the same old BS about Obama that I have proven wrong already.
 
Oh, and I don't take anything here on Blogit personally.  I don't know you and in truth I don't care what you think about me or my beliefs.  I will defend them, I will tell you when you are being stupid and when you have just out right got it wrong.  But at no point do I think what you think of me matters in the least, so I am not about to take your mindless BS here personally.
 
And really, what the hell are you talking about in those first two sentences?  I've read it several times now and it just does not make the least amount of sense at all.
 
"You are everything you condemn, and everyone is spitting out whatever nonsense comes to mind. That to a certain degree is writing for you."
 
It is like you are mixing several thoughts at once without actually getting the full concept explained at any point. At least try to stay with one person's POV during your sentences.  You seem to be talking from both your POV and mine at the same time there and it just get confusing.

posted by kooka_lives on October 14, 2008 at 8:12 PM | link to this | reply

Re: mordent, you are clueless buddy
You are everything you condemn, and everyone is spitting out whatever nonsense comes to mind. THat to a certain degree is writing for you.

I don't listen to propaganda by the way. And since you're an expert on propaganda tell me which news sources are propaganda and which are not?

As far as attacking goes that is just the term I use for people who continue to tell people they're full of it and don't know what they're talking about.

You take things personally like all liberals. And you really don't debate.

You just keep telling people they're full of it and don't know the facts. This is repetitive and boring.

Try not telling someone that they're full of BS, misinformation, propaganda.

Try just debating them on what they've said without accusing them of being false. Try debating each point they make without using your same accusations of them being wrong.

But by all means continue your intentions as this is a lot of fun for me.


posted by mordent on October 14, 2008 at 7:08 AM | link to this | reply

mordent, you are clueless buddy
I don't attack people just because they do not share my views. I really don't attack people unless they are asking for it.  Trust me, I've yet to come close to attacking you.  If you can't handle the comments I've made to you so far, then you are going to have a hard time here on Blogit.  All I have done is shown you the same level of respect you have shown me.  That is the way I am here.  If you don't like the way I act towards you, you might want to look at how you come across.

What you said here and elsewhere is some of the worst batch of propaganda and misinformation that is out there.  Go and do some real research on the facts and stop just repeating whatever load of BS you are given by the conservative propaganda machine that feeds you.

Most of what you say that is not propaganda just makes no sense.  It is like you are spitting out whatever nonsense comes to your mind.  If you want a real dialogue with me, then start making sense and stop using BS in your comments.

posted by kooka_lives on October 13, 2008 at 3:51 PM | link to this | reply

Re: mordent,
Thanks for the advice. You attack everyone who thinks differently then you so I don't see a difference. If I'm bitter than you're just a different version of it.

posted by mordent on October 13, 2008 at 3:29 PM | link to this | reply

mordent,
The reason I don't know here to start is because you keep spitting out this ignorant, hate filled BS that has little if any facts or merit to it and it just does not make sense to keep replying to it if you are not going to grow up and start using facts and logic.  What you say is insulting towards more than just those you wish to attack and insult. You don't get the bigger picture and I understand that.  You are a bitter person who see life as hopeless and I guess you want try and bring everyone else down to your level.
 
Get out and meet people and try to enjoy life.  Stop generalizing and stop thinking everyone is one dimensional.  See people for who they really are and try to understand that there is something of value in relationships and just being with other people.


posted by kooka_lives on October 13, 2008 at 10:21 AM | link to this | reply

Re: mordent, I am unsure where to start with you

Yeah you're the only one with all the facts and if we're so stupid than you're stupid for arguing back. Factual genius that you are lowering yourself to us poor morons.

The reason you don't know where to start is because you have no beginning.

posted by mordent on October 12, 2008 at 7:55 PM | link to this | reply

gomedome, they give me headaches
I do wonder what is wrong with them.  Just wait for the post I am about to write about my experience yesterday.  It was interesting and fits with they way these people think.

posted by kooka_lives on October 12, 2008 at 3:41 PM | link to this | reply

mordent, I am unsure where to start with you
The ignorance and bigotry that is just flowing out of your comment is insulting towards the whole of the human race on more levels than I am able to perceive.
 
You present pretty much zero in the way of facts, deciding to instead focus on misinformation and propaganda for your defense.  It just doesn't work. Everything in that comment of yours is meaningless dribble.  I can't take you seriously until you grow up some and gain even a slight sense of understanding about the world.

posted by kooka_lives on October 12, 2008 at 3:39 PM | link to this | reply

kooka_lives - some of your commentors are embarrasing themselves but I

doubt they have the grey matter to realize it.

You got chucklehead number one insisting on using the democratic nominee's middle name because he thinks it means something other than what it does. For the record; the name "Hussein" has origins in Arabic and has been in use in many parts of Africa for many generations. The usage in this case as a middle or second name, when eminating from Africa would be the equivalent of the name "Beauregard", a name once popular and still used today in the US deep South. Hussein means "small, handsome one" or something to that effect, just as Beauregard translates literally from French to "Pretty to look at" or in masculine usage, the word "pretty" would be replaced with "handsome"

Then we have the question of his religious beliefs, the man is a Baptist plain and simple. His own words: In his book The Audacity of Hope, Barack Obama writes:

"I was not raised in a religious household. For my mother, organized religion too often dressed up closed-mindedness in the garb of piety, cruelty and oppression in the cloak of righteousness. However, in her mind, a working knowledge of the world's great religions was a necessary part of any well-rounded education. In our household the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology.

On Easter or Christmas Day my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the Chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites.In sum, my mother viewed religion through the eyes of the anthropologist; it was a phenomenon to be treated with a suitable respect, but with a suitable detachment as well.

Eventually, Barack Obama abandoned this non-conformism and skepticism to be baptized as an adult in the Trinity United Church of Christ."

Do they have schools where these people live? Libraries? Or is there someting in the water that makes some of them so friggin stupid?

posted by gomedome on October 12, 2008 at 1:39 PM | link to this | reply

Go to England and see what Muslims have done there. As well as other parts of Europe.

At the moment in this country they're not nearly as disasterous as they are over there but who the hell wants that to happen.

Quite honestly who the hell wants so many of them? Do you? Go live in a Muslim country. Do you see hordes of Europeans going to live in their places. It's fine for a visit but would you want to live there?

Aren't liberals supposed to be pro-feminist/female. Why do you want hordes of people who treat women like 3rd rate citizens.

As for Obama his mother was married to an Indonesian Islamist. Must have been a Msulim at one time. And then a catholic....And then what....Pastor Wrights white/american chickens come home to roost church?

Sounds like your boy is a bit mixed up eh?

Farrakahn just endorsed him...And Obama won't release any of his records.

You are blind, politically-correct and suicidal. Do us a favor...Take you and all the liberals and go to a Muslim country and lobby for them to bring in as many christians as possible. Return the favor around the world since you're so big on equality

posted by mordent on October 11, 2008 at 11:01 AM | link to this | reply

RSM, while apparently you have no clue about what goes on in this country.
Do you have any examples of Muslims roaming around killing people randomly in this country?
 
 here is a very recent example of a good old Christian going out to shot people randomly here in the USA.  You will NOT fin any such story about Muslims doing this on US soil.
 
Statistics, facts and well everything says that you are the one living in a delusional bubble of paranoia and blind, mindless hate for people who are not 'your kind'.  You are a bigot, pure and simple. You are unable to face reality and write anyone who defends actual freedom and respect for others as being 'politically correct'.

posted by kooka_lives on October 11, 2008 at 10:31 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Re:
"Following blindly" is an act of faith, and we liberals don't have any faith, do we?  Kooka is not advocating "political correctness" when he says Obama is not a Muslim; he is stating a fact.  When he says Christian radicals are as responsible for violence in American as much as Islamic radicals, he also speaks the truth.  The Olympic bomber in Atlanta was a Christian radical, who followed up his attack at the Olympics by bombing abortion clinics.

But don't worry, we liberals will keep a close eye on Obama, and see that he follows the secualr demands of the Constitution.  We don't want to live under any false gods.


posted by mousehop on October 11, 2008 at 8:00 AM | link to this | reply

Re:
RITE2SPIN - His political correctness will kill him and his entire family one day and it will not be from a Christian. This guy is delusional. I have never heard of Christians roaming America killing people, have you? Take it easy on him, he is just a liberal. He can not understand what is taking place but will blindly follow Hussein Obama wherever he leads him. Imagine the fate of an atheist under Muslim rule, not good.

posted by RedStatesMan on October 10, 2008 at 10:11 PM | link to this | reply

you might better stop writing, I don't think your going to be able to eat all your words when every thing comes out on wash day ole boy.

 

posted by RITE2SPIN on October 10, 2008 at 1:14 PM | link to this | reply

paranoia has been a byword of the Right for decades now.
Starting right after the Civil War with Reconstruction.  They kept the must-freed slaves from gaining any status in society and kept their descendants in second class citizen status until the mid-60's -- then they bolted from the Democratic Party in protest of the Civil Rights Act.

Immigrants, from the Irish to Italians to Asians to recent immigrants, have been feared and outcast.  A segment of Society simply fears change and strangers (xenophobia) and they do have a loud voice -- louder than their numbers and too loud for sensible dialogue.

And today's xenophobes are just as ugly as their predecessors (maybe not to the point of killing as past generations); virtually killing by their misrepresentations.

posted by Xeno-x on October 10, 2008 at 11:26 AM | link to this | reply

And the Constitution elevates freedom of religion.

posted by EX_TURPI on October 10, 2008 at 11:24 AM | link to this | reply