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kooka_lives - I don't know if people involved in this discussion truly
understand what it is they are objecting to.
Your country has a dysfunctional health care system, the only one of its kind in the entire industrialized world. The problems with it are obvious to everyone it seems but those who are not capable of grasping the major failing points of such a system. And you can bet that every last one of the pinheads bleating like mindless sheep defending it have health care themselves.
Most prominent of the problems is that it is a system that contains within it two profit centers in the insurers and the health care providers. Then of course there are those who are not covered by the system. What these three problematic areas virtually guarantee is that human life is reduced to the ability to pay. Your uncle being a perfect example of this.
"A pre-existing condition" is a purely American term, universal health care in all other first world nations is based solely on need. Human life is not a business, nor should it be a source of profit. The statistics don't lie, life expectancy in all nations that have universal health care is longer than it is in the USA.
What is that these people think they are defending? Their right to continue with an unworkable system that costs American citizens twice as much as it should because it must produce a profit?
It is time for Americans to pull their heads out of their asses and admit they have it wrong while many other countries have it right.
posted by
gomedome
on August 12, 2009 at 9:22 PM
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RSM,
That game's not going to work here at all.
What we are talking about here is NOTHING at all like cerebral palsy. But you already know that and are just using your daughter's condition to try and blur the reality of it all.
I've worked in a nursing home and I have seen the horrors we as a society allow to happen by keeping and forcing people to stay alive in bodies that are basically dead. I would never wish such a torture on my worse enemy, or even on you. I would hope that those who care about you are not so heartless as to force you to be trapped in that manner. I already know for a fact that my family loves me enough to allow me to die if I ever got to that point. We went through this with my grandfather a year ago, and it was the right thing to do to let him go, as it was also what he wanted. And back to my uncle, his cancer had gotten so bad because of how bad the health care system is (Of course if we had universal health care, most likely they would have ran the needed tests when he first had the symptoms, back when the cancer was very treatable, and he would most likely still be alive today), that he was allowed to die as well. My family is not cruel and heartless, We would NEVER wish to watch a love one suffer by forcing them to live when it would be nothing but pain and suffering for them.
So you are saying your daughter, who honestly is not going to be able to ever be able to take care of herself or be a productive member of society, that her life is more valuable than my uncle's life, who was a father and care giver? I already know you are going to take this the wrong way, because you don't give a damn at all about what is truly best for this country, but in all honesty, it is more beneficial, responsible, cost effective and even if we wanted to get into it, humane, to put the health needs of those like my uncle above the needs of those like your daughter.
You talk about how expensive this program is going to be and then you say that it is somehow better to have everyone stuck paying outrageously high insurance rates so that your daughter is going to get better health care than my uncle got. You see I am paying for your daughter care. Everyone who forks over large portions of their pay to insurance companies is paying for your daughters care. My family is healthy enough that we are not the group that is causing health insurance to rise so much, as are most of the families I know that out there, paying huge amount for health care so that your daughter is going to be taken care. But your fine with that. How dare we ask you to go and help pay for people like my uncle though. That is just too unthinkable for some reason. And of course we shouldn't have any say at all in this issue, because we are only paying for your daughter's care. Our priorities and the needs to people other than your family are far from being important I guess.
Of course all of this is pointless anyway, because when the health care reform goes through (And it will, since we very much need it) your daughter will still be taken care just as she is now, but those like my uncle will suddenly have a chance to get better treatment and maybe some other father out there, who has treatable cancer but no health insurance, will get the testing he needs early enough to save his life and make sure he is there for his children. But such thinking is responsible, fair, humane and better for society, so you obviously are very much against it.
And don't' give me the 'putting the price on a person's life' BS, because that is 100% what you are doing with your stance here. You are saying my uncle and those like him are not worth the money to help keep them healthy and living.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 12, 2009 at 8:06 PM
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One Question
You stated, "That somehow it is fine for the system to let people like my uncle die when they are middle aged and don't have the insurance to get the tests done that could have saved his life, as long as we make sure that people who are trapped in their nonfunctional bodies are kept alive at our expense."
So since my 11 year old daughter who has been handicap since age 5 months and who has cerebral palsy and she must rely on my wife and I for each bodily function from feeding her to changing diapers every day, then she is seen as being 'trapped in their nonfunctional bodies are kept alive at our expense'? Is that what you meant here?
posted by
RedStatesMan
on August 12, 2009 at 7:26 PM
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